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GOG.com Geo-IP Changes

GOG.com announces an update to their Geo-IP policy caused by Namco Bandai's recent court victory about distribution of The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings. Here's most of it:

Most of the decision doesn’t influence GOG.com, but one of the rulings from the court does: according to the findings of the court, the method that we have been using to determine what location a game purchaser is located at when they buy a copy of The Witcher 2 (and, as such, what version and price they are presented with) needs to be changed.

GOG.com has stated for a long time now that we believe that the best security is asking only for the minimum of information that we need to successfully transact business with our customers. Our opinion is still that including things like determining your location via Geo-IP, because there are several possible flaws with that system. However, in order to keep selling The Witcher 2, we will need to implement a Geo-IP based system for determining your location, per the orders of the court.

We will be implementing this system immediately; you will see that your local currency’s price is now featured on the product page when you visit it, based on your IP address. Since we've already announced the price for this game would be the same flat price everywhere during the Holiday Sale (which ends on January 2nd, 2012, at 23:59 EST Time), we’re not going to change the pricing for the Witcher 2 until this sale ends.

We remain committed to user privacy and keeping your information as safe and secure as we can. Further, while your profile’s location is, by order of the court, determined via Geo-IP when you purchase a copy of The Witcher 2, you can still set your country location for the forums as you would like, and your location doesn’t matter for buying any other games on GOG.com.

If you have already purchased your copy of the Witcher 2, we won’t be changing anything on your already-bought copy, just as if you had a boxed copy on a physical shelf instead of a virtual box on your GOG.com shelf.

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23. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 12:46 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 03:10:
But would that do any good because your CC obvious points to your country of origin.
No it doesn't. I have a Chase CC card, and a Seven Account(Japanse) bank account, with a CC card from them. I'm a Canuck.


 
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22. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 12:44 DrEvil
 
Dev wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 08:41:
El Pit wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 06:28:
It's neither the fault of GOG or Steam, but it loses them some sales and money.
Actually in this specific case its GoG's fault that they have to go to a stricter system. They had some license agreement they didn't uphold well enough.

No, they had some license agreement that Namco doesn't believe they upheld well enough. The problem was the two parties didn't agree on the interpretation.
 
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21. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 09:06 El Pit
 
Dev wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 08:41:
El Pit wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 06:28:
It's neither the fault of GOG or Steam, but it loses them some sales and money.
Actually in this specific case its GoG's fault that they have to go to a stricter system. They had some license agreement they didn't uphold well enough.

Sorry for being not clear enough, my bad. This "stricter system" is neither GOG?s nor Steam's fault, it's the fault of publishers and economic protectionism.
 
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20. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 08:41 Dev
 
El Pit wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 06:28:
It's neither the fault of GOG or Steam, but it loses them some sales and money.
Actually in this specific case its GoG's fault that they have to go to a stricter system. They had some license agreement they didn't uphold well enough.
 
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19. bout 20 more years Dec 24, 2011, 08:33 space captain
 
dont worry skynet will save us from ourselves  
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18. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 06:43 TurdFergasun
 
Beatnik thats because we're not as much "people" as corporations are now. they are given the rights of people, and they're much more "people" than any one of us can ever be, so they have mass priority over a person, who can only be as much "people" as one person. this is all legally speaking of course.  
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17. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 06:28 El Pit
 
Dev wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 06:23:
Its the fault of publishing companies deciding where to make games available, and laws in various countries. Valve doesn't do it unless they have to. They don't want to turn down money.

It's neither the fault of GOG or Steam, but it loses them some sales and money. But as we all know, free trade is only a privilege for corporations, not for people.
 
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16. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 06:23 Dev
 
yuastnav wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 05:28:
We live in sad times.
Its the fault of publishing companies deciding where to make games available, and laws in various countries. Valve doesn't do it unless they have to. They don't want to turn down money.
 
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15. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 05:28 yuastnav
 
A VPN network could work - it also could not, depending on how they implement it.
For example: I can say from personal experience that it does not work on Steam. I can connect from the US using a VPN and see products that would otherwise be banned in Germany but if I'd actually try to purchase them I would not be able to do that because I have to enter the address where I live and PayPal also show that my bank account is in Germany. That way Steam can actually determine that I am not a buyer from the USA but from Germany and stop me from buying that game.
Apparently it works sometimes when you use a credit card, or so I have read, though it is a bit strange how that works since one user reported that he wasn't able to do it while his friend was and both of them had the same type of credit card.

You could probably try to enter a fake address in the US but you'd also need to do that in your PayPal account and since they verify these things it could be seen as fraud.

We live in sad times.
 
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14. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 04:28 Dev
 
Overon wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 03:24:
What if GOG is only using Geo-IP and not the address of the credit card?
If thats all the court told them to do, its quite possible thats correct
 
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13. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 04:10 El Pit
 
Hm... The price is still in USD for me?! Okay... And if my comprehension is right, it's just The Witcher 2 that would be in expensive Euros for Europeans, right? And for the love of God, guys, don't let Witcher 3 get published by Namco Bandai. Kthx.  
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12. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 03:24 Overon
 
What if GOG is only using Geo-IP and not the address of the credit card?

Also another way of doing it is to make friends with people from other regions of the world, develop trust, and buy each other games and pay each other back.
 
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11. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 03:15 El Pit
 
Cutter wrote on Dec 24, 2011, 03:10:
But would that do any good because your CC obvious points to your country of origin.

Could PayPal work in this case? Not sure.
 
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10. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 03:10 Cutter
 
Aero wrote on Dec 23, 2011, 23:17:
So now I would love to know, how do you fool Geo-IP, by some kind of proxy but how would one use it?

One option is to use a VPN service like this one, which can make you appear as though you're coming from a choice of 38 countries.

https://hidemyass.com

(No endorsement, just the first one I found with a quick search).

I have a friend who uses a service like this (though not that one) because he lives on a little Caribbean island and gets shafted otherwise.

edit: Fixed link.

But would that do any good because your CC obvious points to your country of origin.
 
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9. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 02:41 El Pit
 
This is bad for me and as a result, it will be bad for GOG.com, too. I won't be paying 5 Euros for a game other get for $5 USD. Sorry, GOG, it's been a great time, and I am going to miss you.

EDIT: I will try the VPN way. If this works, then I will welcome back GOG!

And so much about "free markets" and "competition is good". Great work, judge!
 
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8. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 01:54 DangerDog
 
Region restrictions are stupid and just result in more piracy.  
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7. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 24, 2011, 00:22 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Overon wrote on Dec 23, 2011, 23:02:
So now I would love to know, how do you fool Geo-IP, by some kind of proxy but how would one use it?
Any VPN service will beat it, there's a whole pile of cheap free vpn's out there to choose from across the globe. Plus a pile of pay, that charge as little as $4/year. Just google, that's all I'll say far too many to list. Proxies can be detected, VPN's are much more difficult. A good VPN runs what's basically a mesh around your network data and bounces it through theirs, rerouting it. I know that sounds like a proxy, but it's not. A vpn is encrypted and uses ptp tunneling between you and the host, a proxy acts more like a semi-secure filter. To make it simple.
 
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6. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 23, 2011, 23:17 Aero
 
So now I would love to know, how do you fool Geo-IP, by some kind of proxy but how would one use it?

One option is to use a VPN service like this one, which can make you appear as though you're coming from a choice of 38 countries.

https://hidemyass.com

(No endorsement, just the first one I found with a quick search).

I have a friend who uses a service like this (though not that one) because he lives on a little Caribbean island and gets shafted otherwise.

edit: Fixed link.
 
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5. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 23, 2011, 23:09 WaltC
 
necrosis wrote on Dec 23, 2011, 22:45:
Wait. I thought this was just over the 360 version? How does this effect GoG?

Memory is sketchy, but I believe that Namco has the distribution rights to the game inside the EU. Like you, I thought this concerned distribution of only the console version of the game, but evidently not. In providing this information, I'd guess, GoG can submit proof to the court of the location of the game's purchasers should Namco ask for it. Namco got their hooks into CDPR somehow--sure would be interesting to see how all of that came about.

 
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4. Re: GOG.com Geo-IP Changes Dec 23, 2011, 23:02 Overon
 
So now I would love to know, how do you fool Geo-IP, by some kind of proxy but how would one use it?  
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