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Cutter wrote on Dec 2, 2011, 21:14: So who makes sure eveyrthing keeps running at Valve without any formal boundaries? Who decides on the sales? Bill from accounting figures he wants to work in the server room that week so decides to give it a go? Dave from QA decides what goes on sale on Steam when and for how long? Ed the attorney decides he's going to ignore all the legal matters and take a stab at coding for a while. So that's how it works? Why do they even bother hiring for specific positions if thats the case? Seriously bud, there's autonomy and than there's chaos. Human beings by their nature need boundaries. We create them where we see none. NO company, not a single one could operate the way Gabe makes it sound and ever get anything done. Sure, Bill from accounting would explain why they always have server overloading issues (actually its the load balancing servers or something in that path, the content servers always have plenty of reserve according to the stats, which means valve has no excuse as to why it keeps happening, they have plenty of money to get a few more load balancing servers in there). The sales though, that's experimental on valve's part (they've said that before), and it has to get permission from the publisher (such as EA, which is why EA stuff rarely goes on sale). Valve has mentioned how they make up the sales stuff as they go along. Ed the attorney is probably on a retainer from a legal firm, so he doesn't work at valve and doesn't have a wheeled desk there, so is not involved in coding.
And didn't you read the interviews? They DON'T hire that way, they hire generalists, not specialists.
Its not just Gabe saying this is the way they work.
Look, if they hire EVERYONE this way, and everyone hired there has a good collective sense of responsibility (as someone else put it in this thread), then yeah, I can see it working. Maybe not working so well for the customers, but the employees? Yeah fantastically well for them. Valve has more money than they know what to do with anyway, with a steady income guaranteed from digital steam income for the foreseeable future, so they don't even need to do any more game developing.
As I said before, there's a bell curve of management styles and autonomy. At one end you have crazy micromanagement like MS seems to have, yet they are wildly successful. At the other extreme end... you have valve with no management. There's gotta be at least 1 successful company in the world on the edge of that graph, that has an extreme lack of management.
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