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Dead Island German Ban

Dead Island has landed on "List B" in Germany, as the Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien (Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons) has deemed Techland's zombie game too harmful to be sold in the country. "This isn't unexpected," Techland tells Eurogamer. "Germany has its unique regulations regarding video games and violence and the industry can only comply. Both Deep Silver and Techland were aware of such a possibility from the very beginning." EG also says GamesIndustry.biz Germany tells them "List B" is usually reserved for media depicting extreme torture or Nazi content. They say that importing retailers would be at risk of having the game seized at the border, and that publisher Koch Media avoided running afoul German law by distributing the game in Austria.

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17. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 20:52 Towyn
 
Lobster wrote on Nov 30, 2011, 08:46:
Germany doesn't even allow blood. TF2 is full of robots. How could this POSSIBLY be unexpected?

Germany actually has no problem with blood, games like Rage are released uncensored, some companies (like Valve) decide to censor games to avoid having to check for the age of users. If a game is rated 16+ or lower no one needs to check your age, for 18+ games they do. So to avoid having people send in their ID Valve censored the game...

You can easily buy uncensored games, being 18+, in every good shop, even Gamestop offers EU imports. It is simply easier for the companies to censor and be allowed to sell without proof of age than to do that.

Saints Row: The Third is a good example for the censorship in Germany, and how far the company went to be allowed to sell it as it is... In SR3 only a few minor things were censored. All gore, all weapons and all missions are untouched. But if you harm civilians the cops will get active faster, you can't rob them, have no achievements for killing civilians (furries) and you can't use civilians as human shield, only enemies. While all the blood and story is unharmed.

I am not supporting censorship (and I imported my SR3 from the UK), but it also isn't quite as bad anymore. That is why Dead Island is very... very surprising.
 
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16. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 09:12 skreech
 
Germany doesn't even allow blood. TF2 is full of robots. How could this POSSIBLY be unexpected?

Germany has no problem with blood. It has a problem with a person being shredded to gory hunks of meat and an arrow pointing at "Your liver" in a freeze frame of the spectacle.

There have been games in the past, where blood was removed or recolored to green, but it all depends on context. The display of blood is not generally forbidden.

Thanks to my buddies in the UK who can gift me uncut games, my TF2 characters still blow up in red mist, though. I just like it that way
 
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15. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 09:03 skreech
 
Confiscation of the games on the B-List is not a task of the 'Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien'. The federal courts can decide to order the confiscation, but they don't have to (and rarely do). On top of that, the titles would only be confiscated from the market, and not if you already own it.

So, unless some attorney decides to tag Dead Island as "generally harmful to German society" there is no legal pressure on Steam to remove the game from German accounts.

Sometimes it's a pain to get an uncut game here (I'm lucky, I imported Dead Island two months ago), but it's not all THAT bad.
 
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14. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 08:46 Lobster
 
Germany doesn't even allow blood. TF2 is full of robots. How could this POSSIBLY be unexpected?  
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13. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 05:17 Towyn
 
Germany has two separate lists, the "index" list, also known as "A-List", which contains games like Doom 3, or even (until recently) the recent Rammstein Album. This means that these products are only to be sold to adults, are not allowed to be advertised or seen on shelves. Selling them from "under the counter" is legal. And then there's the B-List (banned). The last games on that list are, for example, Manhunt, Wolfenstein (the remake, for the swastikas) or music albums that contain various extreme subjects, a recent example would be a very graphical description of raping little girls or a call out to stand up for your country and kill foreigners.

The big difference is that the A-List is not illegal to own, though you need to make sure that no minor is allowed to get into contact with it. Where the B-List is actually banned. The items WILL be confiscated and if you sell them you are very much treated on the same level as a drug-dealer. And as such it is quite surprising that Dead Island made it onto the B-List. Everyone who owned it on Steam probably had it confiscated by now, aka simply removed. And that's just plain stupid...
 
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12. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 05:07 WarpCrow
 
Well, that answers my question about why the listing dropped out of Steam. I wonder what happened to those Germans who bought it there previously. Valve has the power to remove a game from your library, and I wouldn't be surprised if they used it in this case to avoid liability. This is the one thing that always disturbed me a little about the service. It's like giving EBGames the power to come to my home and take one of their games back if something weird happens.

The ban itself is pointless though. Anyone who wants it can easily have it imported from Austria. Hell, I could drive over there today and pick up a copy as I live so close to the border. And, well, piracy is even easier.

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11. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 04:39 Kajetan
 
spindoctor wrote on Nov 30, 2011, 03:02:
Banning the game 3 months after release seems so... pointless. Banning a game when it can be imported from one country over also seems pointless.
It is pointless, because the moment the BPjM bans a game, ALL the german kids want to have this game and they will get it

This is all the more strange because I believe Germany is a pretty big gaming market, so you'd expect them to behave a little more sensibly on these issues.
Dont expect sensibility when politicians know that they can gain cheap votes by "protecting the youth from violent videogames". This way, everybody feels ok because someone did something and everyone forgets to really care about children.

Banning stuff is an easy way for adults to avoid uncomfortable truths about the way they treat themselves, their children, how children are raised, what world they are born into.
 
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10. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 03:37 eRe4s3r
 
importing retailers would be at risk of having the game seized at the border
 
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9. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 03:02 spindoctor
 
Banning the game 3 months after release seems so... pointless. Banning a game when it can be imported from one country over also seems pointless. This is all the more strange because I believe Germany is a pretty big gaming market, so you'd expect them to behave a little more sensibly on these issues.  
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8. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 02:36 winnetou
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Nov 29, 2011, 23:24:
And the pirates laugh last.
Or simply importing customers.
 
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7. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 02:22 yuastnav
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 30, 2011, 00:06:
OK, so it's "harmful to young persons". Alright. But this makes it not available to adults, too. What has this to do with protecting young people? Isn't that censorship? Is censorship legal in Germany, like in China, Iran, and North Corea?

In Germany censorship is just as legal as in the United States, Australia, Great Britain or any other country in the world - that is: as long as it fits those in power or some lobby group they will do it.

However this is slightly confusing because I do not really see who could profit from banning that game.
 
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6. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 01:26 eRe4s3r
 
The radio stations, only few them at that, decided not to play this particular song on their own volition though.  
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5. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 00:18 Rossafur
 
El Pit wrote on Nov 30, 2011, 00:06:
OK, so it's "harmful to young persons". Alright. But this makes it not available to adults, too. What has this to do with protecting young people? Isn't that censorship? Is censorship legal in Germany, like in China, Iran, and North Corea?

Yup. They even banned the song "Perfekte Welle" (Perfect Wave) by the German band Juli after the tsunami in Southeast Asia in 2004. It's a happy song about surfing. But you can never be too careful about anyone being offended by anything your people do when you're responsible for the Holocaust! Kinda ironic, though. In the pursuit of not being seen as Nazis, they've become censorship Nazis.
 
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4. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 00:06 El Pit
 
OK, so it's "harmful to young persons". Alright. But this makes it not available to adults, too. What has this to do with protecting young people? Isn't that censorship? Is censorship legal in Germany, like in China, Iran, and North Corea?  
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3. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 30, 2011, 00:03 Lord Tea
 
LOL funny Germans...  
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2. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 29, 2011, 23:56 Cutter
 
"Protection from what, Tommy? Zee Germans?"
 
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1. Re: Dead Island German Ban Nov 29, 2011, 23:24 eRe4s3r
 
And the pirates laugh last.  
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