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BF3 MAV is So Mav

This trailer from Battlefield 3 shows the MAV (Micro Air Vehicle) being used as a transport vehicle, rather than a reconnaissance device, showing it taking players to difficult-to-access areas, a particularly useful trick for snipers. This is noted on In Entertainment, where they raise the question of whether this is an exploit that should be patched out of the game. Thanks Devicer.

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22. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 22:02 Sepharo
 
Quboid wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 12:20:
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 11:29:
Completely in the spirit of battlefield; wing walking was always a valid tactic in 1942. Hell, wing knifing (flying extremely low and clipping an enemy standing on the crest of a hill with your wing dealing collision damage) was a valid tactic.

Fuck realism, battlefield is about arcadey gameplay in a semi-realistic setting.

Completely against the spirit of Battlefield, and against the spirit of gaming.

Exploits are never a valid tactic. Wing walking in BF1942 wasn't a valid tactic and should have been patched out. Bunny hopping has never a valid tactic either. What is different about these and exploiting outside the level, which would typically get you kicked/banned?

Is this sarcasm? You should probably throw Tribes skiing on that list too or hell rocket jumping.

Turn in your gamer card.
 
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21. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 21:30 Teddy
 
Quboid wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 20:40:
One is taking advantage of game limitation to play in a way that the developers didn't intend (and makes you invincible) and that fellow players have no reason to expect to face, the other is taking advantage of a game limitation to play in a way that the developers didn't intend (and leaves you vulnerable) and that fellow players have no reason to expect to face.

Standing on a MAV isn't realistic or semi-realistic, it is exploiting the limited physics engine.

FTFY. Convenient that you left those points out of your oversimplified argument.

As for the last point.... Since when is Battlefield realistic or even semi-realistic? It's an arcade game with a military theme. Always has been.
 
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20. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 20:58 Razumen
 
Quboid wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 20:40:
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 17:06:
Quboid wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 12:20:
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 11:29:
Completely in the spirit of battlefield; wing walking was always a valid tactic in 1942. Hell, wing knifing (flying extremely low and clipping an enemy standing on the crest of a hill with your wing dealing collision damage) was a valid tactic.

Fuck realism, battlefield is about arcadey gameplay in a semi-realistic setting.

Completely against the spirit of Battlefield, and against the spirit of gaming.

Exploits are never a valid tactic. Wing walking in BF1942 wasn't a valid tactic and should have been patched out. Bunny hopping has never a valid tactic either. What is different about these and exploiting outside the level, which would typically get you kicked/banned?
It's not an exploit (like hiding in buildings, making you invulnerable), it's an unintended gameplay quirk (like skiing in Tribes) that takes skill to pull off and still leaves you vulnerable.

One is taking advantage of game limitation to play in a way that the developers didn't intend and that fellow players have no reason to expect to face, the other is taking advantage of a game limitation to play in a way that the developers didn't intend and that fellow players have no reason to expect to face.

Standing on a MAV isn't realistic or semi-realistic, it is exploiting the limited physics engine.

Dude, your first sentence is exactly the same as your second...

IMHO they shouldn't call it a vehicle then, as it's kind of a misnomer if it's not meant to transport people or cargo. It seems like it requires too much coordination and time in the game to be a very effective and unbalancing tactic anyways.

of course it's not against the spirit of gaming, that's ridiculous. competitive gaming is ALWAYS about finding ways in the game to win.

Is it an exploit? Sure. Cheating? Definitely not.
 
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19. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 20:40 Quboid
 
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 17:06:
Quboid wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 12:20:
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 11:29:
Completely in the spirit of battlefield; wing walking was always a valid tactic in 1942. Hell, wing knifing (flying extremely low and clipping an enemy standing on the crest of a hill with your wing dealing collision damage) was a valid tactic.

Fuck realism, battlefield is about arcadey gameplay in a semi-realistic setting.

Completely against the spirit of Battlefield, and against the spirit of gaming.

Exploits are never a valid tactic. Wing walking in BF1942 wasn't a valid tactic and should have been patched out. Bunny hopping has never a valid tactic either. What is different about these and exploiting outside the level, which would typically get you kicked/banned?
It's not an exploit (like hiding in buildings, making you invulnerable), it's an unintended gameplay quirk (like skiing in Tribes) that takes skill to pull off and still leaves you vulnerable.

One is taking advantage of game limitation to play in a way that the developers didn't intend and that fellow players have no reason to expect to face, the other is taking advantage of a game limitation to play in a way that the developers didn't intend and that fellow players have no reason to expect to face.

Standing on a MAV isn't realistic or semi-realistic, it is exploiting the limited physics engine.
 
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18. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 19:39 Sphinx
 
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 18:02:
Oh yeah, another exploit that was in 1942: the goddamn hanger glass. A room at the back of the aircraft hangers had a window that could see into the hanger, you could shoot out but the glass was impermeable to bullets from the other side. That was never patched out.

Gunner seat in Humvee has same problem in BF3 I think. Can't kill the passengers. Fortunately you can still shoot passengers out of choppers and watch their body twirl, twirl, twirl to the ground.
 
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17. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 18:02 CommunistHamster
 
Oh yeah, another exploit that was in 1942: the goddamn hanger glass. A room at the back of the aircraft hangers had a window that could see into the hanger, you could shoot out but the glass was impermeable to bullets from the other side. That was never patched out.  
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16. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 17:34 ViRGE
 
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 17:06:
It's not an exploit (like hiding in buildings, making you invulnerable), it's an unintended gameplay quirk (like skiing in Tribes) that takes skill to pull off and still leaves you vulnerable.
I'll agree it's an unintended quirk, but it's not a good one. Having areas only accessible to a handful of people through this method is not very balanced, and the end result is that you have very well shielded snipers being able to pick things off at their leisure. There's a reason they removed the deck on the antenna on Caspian, after all.
 
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15. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 17:20 xXBatmanXx
 
In Saints Row 3 you can have a parachute for an accessory, ie as a backpack and wear it at all times. Works great when you wanna jump your vehicle off of a bridge.

Just sayin.

(The BF1942 comment made me think about how fun parachutes were)
 
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14. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 17:06 CommunistHamster
 
Quboid wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 12:20:
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 11:29:
Completely in the spirit of battlefield; wing walking was always a valid tactic in 1942. Hell, wing knifing (flying extremely low and clipping an enemy standing on the crest of a hill with your wing dealing collision damage) was a valid tactic.

Fuck realism, battlefield is about arcadey gameplay in a semi-realistic setting.

Completely against the spirit of Battlefield, and against the spirit of gaming.

Exploits are never a valid tactic. Wing walking in BF1942 wasn't a valid tactic and should have been patched out. Bunny hopping has never a valid tactic either. What is different about these and exploiting outside the level, which would typically get you kicked/banned?
It's not an exploit (like hiding in buildings, making you invulnerable), it's an unintended gameplay quirk (like skiing in Tribes) that takes skill to pull off and still leaves you vulnerable.
 
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13. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 16:44 bigspender
 
hardly an exploit - if 2 people are going to spend 1/2 round trying to get up somewhere like that.

you can just as easily parachute down on some of those buildings anyway.



EDIT: you can just use your own MAV to roadkill them anyway
 
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12. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 15:13 Trevellian
 
Completely useless on maps like Kharg Island and Caspian Border where you can easily just fly by and let your gunner in the Attack Chopper remove them. Definitely more of an annoyance on the Highway level or Siene, where there is no other way up there.  
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11. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 13:56 TangledThorns
 
A big problem is coordinating this maneuver. You'd have to be in close contact with someone who knows what they're doing. It must not be common as I have yet to see it happen.  
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10. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 13:22 Razumen
 
Definitely the method is sketchy, but it doesn't give snipers an unfair advantage or anything. In my opinion snipers should be able to get to the top of most of those towers and rooftops anyways.  
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9. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 13:14 Verno
 
Nacelle wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 12:24:
This is awesome! Of course on some of those towers, you're an easy target for everyone else.

Unfortunately due to the height and angle it's really difficult to hit people up there. I don't even see the point in dislodging them, they are just up there wasting time and resources for their team. You can't cap up there, you can't really snipe effectively without an M95 and you don't give your teammates a decent spawn point to help control the map. It's just the typical snipers nest but it's too detached from the rest of the map to really be useful.
 
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8. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 13:07 McSterls
 
Nacelle wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 12:24:
This is awesome! Of course on some of those towers, you're an easy target for everyone else.


Awesome, maybe - but still a cheat. What was it in BF2142, drop pod surfing that got banned in the first patch, this is clearly going to be banned in patch 1.
 
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7. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 12:24 Nacelle
 
This is awesome! Of course on some of those towers, you're an easy target for everyone else.  
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6. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 12:20 Quboid
 
CommunistHamster wrote on Nov 16, 2011, 11:29:
Completely in the spirit of battlefield; wing walking was always a valid tactic in 1942. Hell, wing knifing (flying extremely low and clipping an enemy standing on the crest of a hill with your wing dealing collision damage) was a valid tactic.

Fuck realism, battlefield is about arcadey gameplay in a semi-realistic setting.

Completely against the spirit of Battlefield, and against the spirit of gaming.

Exploits are never a valid tactic. Wing walking in BF1942 wasn't a valid tactic and should have been patched out. Bunny hopping has never a valid tactic either. What is different about these and exploiting outside the level, which would typically get you kicked/banned?
 
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5. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 11:45 TangledThorns
 
How does this and all the other crap miss quality play testing? Unless there wasn't play testing... MAKES SENSE!!  
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4. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 11:29 CommunistHamster
 
Completely in the spirit of battlefield; wing walking was always a valid tactic in 1942. Hell, wing knifing (flying extremely low and clipping an enemy standing on the crest of a hill with your wing dealing collision damage) was a valid tactic.

Fuck realism, battlefield is about arcadey gameplay in a semi-realistic setting.
 
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3. Re: BF3 MAV is So Mav Nov 16, 2011, 11:10 Sphinx
 
Me and Mr. Knifey will find snipers wherever they hide so exploit all you want. We're coming for you snipers. We're coming for you.

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