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On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans

A post on the Bohemia Interactive Forums asks for help with a problem causing a watery image degradation in Take On Helicopters, Bohemia's new flight simulator. As it turns out this can be the result of using a pirated edition of the game, as Bohemia explains this comes from their "unique anti-piracy countermeasures," also noting a demo for the game is in the works. Here's word:

Bohemia Interactive deploys various antipiracy countermeasures in its titles and Take On Helicopters is no exception, some users have reported morphed/watery image degradation (see http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=126991 ). The original version of Take On Helicopters does not suffer from this degradation of visual quality. Piracy is a big problem for Bohemia Interactive, as an independent PC developer, and we're trying to focus our support as much as possible towards users of legitimate copies. Counterfeit copies of our games may degrade and, moral aspects aside, we certainly recommend only playing the original version. We have a free public demo version of Take On Helicopters in the development pipeline for those that prefer to test it before buying.

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20. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 15:08 Beelzebud
 
I've heard of Operation Flashpoint, and Arma, but Bohemian Interactive is not a name I had heard until all the DRM talk this week. Been a PC gamer since the TI 99/4a, I just don't get all groupie acting about companies.

I stand by my statements. They are not a household name, even if the household is all PC gamers.
 
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19. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 15:04 Verno
 
Spaced wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 14:44:
I just said that this method is actually -good- for legitimate users... it doesn't effect them at all and is a fantastic alternative to the more traditional restrictive DRM methods that do impact legal users. How is a system designed to -only- effect illegal users a 'criminal until proven innocent' method?

As I said in my post in different words, I don't agree with your conclusion that it will only affect pirates. Maybe it is designed to do that but that doesn't mean these types of systems don't also affect legitimate users as there are several examples (FADE, Titan Quest, etc) of. The only time I've seen it pulled it off successfully was on the consoles with Spyro and that's because they could make many assumptions about the hardware platform and operating system they were working with. I think in the end the resources are better spent creating more value in the product to ensure sales or through alternative functionality like online play.

start prosecuting and jailing, stopping the problem at the source.

The source of the problem is just regular people seeking out content, people pirate things for many different reasons. Not every act of piracy is necessarily depriving a developer of something, many users on this very forum pirated things in school when they didn't have disposable income and now buy everything that it's a not concern.

Throwing everyone in jail who pirated anything is just silly. In that scenario you'd probably be serving time too for crimes committed in high school like getting mp3s and whatnot. Hell laws in some countries make even copying your own media "illegal". I don't think all piracy is excusable but at the same time it's the gaming industry equivalent of the war on drugs and the only real success they've seen has literally nothing to do with anti-piracy systems.
 
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18. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:59 Quboid
 
Spaced wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 14:28:
Quboid wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 13:56:
Pirates are going to think your game is buggy and neither buy any of your stuff nor recommend it.

Lol, that's funny! They didn't buy the game in the first place and you think they would buy it eventually after stealing it? That's a riot! No loss for the developer there at all, lol. Good riddance to the thief and all their 'friends'.

Plus, who in their right mind would ever accept a recommendation from a pirate? Oh yeah, lets listen to the very people who steal and help spread trojans, viruses, and malware for our PC game recommendations. That's laugh #2!

This DRM actually seems pretty effective and user friendly (for -legal- users). They get to find out who is stealing their software, the software stops working when the developer decides, and it alerts others. That's very good compared to restrictive use problems for legal users with some DRM systems. Nice! Others should start using this kind of thing more and move away from some of the restrictive DRM methods that hurt legitimate users.

There's not a black and white distinction between those who buy games and those who pirate them. I have downloaded games in the past and then bought the legit copy, or bought a sequel (which was my original point). I played Quake to death without buying it without it ever really occurring to me that I was doing anything wrong. The little money I could got from delivering newspapers (up hill in the snow both ways) was being spent on hardware. I have since bought Quake, and all other Id Software games. If Quake had failed because of some apparent bug, I'd have gone back to Duke Nukem 3D.

Who takes recommendations from a pirate? All of us. Someone recommends a game, do you demand to see a receipt? How many of the comments and recommendations for on this fair site come from people who have a legal copy? All? I very, very much doubt it. Most, I hope, but not all. If someone reports that "Medal of Duty: Modern Battlefields 4" is a buggy piece of crap, do you stop to think that maybe it's a FADE type DRM and they have a pirate copy? I don't, I think that MoD:MB4 is a buggy piece of crap and I'd bet good money that 95% of other people do to.

I bought Op-FP and the ArmA games and every time I came across a bug, which was frequently, I was wondering if this was FADE kicking in incorrectly. Even if it wasn't, in all probability the case, the developers' time spent fixing bugs rather than implementing them might have solved the whole problem.

Pirates aren't a subspecies living in dark room and shuffling around the darkest recesses of the internet. They are ALL AROUND US!!
 
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17. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:57 Muscular Beaver
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 14:43:
Razorclaw wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 13:55:
bohemia is not a household name? lol right. did you get your first pc this week as well?

Sorry, fanboi, they're not. If I went up to my mother and asked her who Blizzard, EA, Atari, Microsoft or Activision were, she would know. If I asked her whom Bohemia Interactive was, she'd not have a clue.

Household name means that the brand is recognizable by people who are not their target demographic. Hell, I would wager that if you asked a random sampling of gamers of all types of interest (not just FPS), you'd get several people who would ask "Bohemiawho?"

This was in context of PC gaming. So it has a different meaning.
If anyone who call himself a PC gamer doesnt know Bohemia, then they should go right back to their console and leave the PC for troll posts... Uh... yeah.
 
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16. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:53 Muscular Beaver
 
Creston wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 14:14:
You've got to be a big sack of shit to pirate a game and then ask for help on the official forums. Good job, assholes.

Creston

Theres actually quite a few of those. A similar DRM was in OFP. They complained about it too. The whole forums were full of it, everywhere. It continued on ArmA and ArmA 2. And still there are people who do that and whine something like "this game sucks, you cant even aim properly!!!!!111one", and when they are confronted with the explanation that that is a copy protection, they NEVER post there again.

I should have made a bookmark collection of those posts, its so funny.

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15. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:44 Spaced
 
Verno wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 14:33:
I'm not defending the act of piracy in this case but it's hard to make such broad statements these days. Anti-piracy measures typically don't affect pirates as much as they affect legitimate customers and FADE-like systems have exhibited exactly that problem before. The assumption that everyone is a criminal until proven innocent is frankly a detestable way to treat your customers too. I recognize its a tough gig for the smaller companies but as many others have proven you can only really combat piracy through incentives and value.

Wait, did you actually read my post, or was this a reflex reply on your part? I just said that this method is actually -good- for legitimate users... it doesn't effect them at all and is a fantastic alternative to the more traditional restrictive DRM methods that do impact legal users. How is a system designed to -only- effect illegal users a 'criminal until proven innocent' method? No, this approach is far better than the traditional install/chronic validate methods, it's an excellent alternative that is better for the legal user.

They want to get into an arms war, with Pirates?

Actually, maybe they should. Developers have been losing this battle for a long long time. Maybe its time they stand up and start to seriously fight with new approaches like this. And if needed, start prosecuting and jailing, stopping the problem at the source.
 
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14. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:43 Burrito of Peace
 
Razorclaw wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 13:55:
bohemia is not a household name? lol right. did you get your first pc this week as well?

Sorry, fanboi, they're not. If I went up to my mother and asked her who Blizzard, EA, Atari, Microsoft or Activision were, she would know. If I asked her whom Bohemia Interactive was, she'd not have a clue.

Household name means that the brand is recognizable by people who are not their target demographic. Hell, I would wager that if you asked a random sampling of gamers of all types of interest (not just FPS), you'd get several people who would ask "Bohemiawho?"
 
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13. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:40 briktal
 
Spaced wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 14:28:
Quboid wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 13:56:
Pirates are going to think your game is buggy and neither buy any of your stuff nor recommend it.

Lol, that's funny! They didn't buy the game in the first place and you think they would buy it eventually after stealing it? That's a riot! No loss for the developer there at all, lol. Good riddance to the thief and all their 'friends'.

Plus, who in their right mind would ever accept a recommendation from a pirate? Oh yeah, lets listen to the very people who steal and help spread trojans, viruses, and malware for our PC game recommendations. That's laugh #2!

The problem is, for many people the recommendation wouldn't come from a pirate. They are going to see anonymous posts in a normal forum post or article comment about the issues they are having, or someone who saw such a post might comment on it elsewhere.
 
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12. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:33 Verno
 
Spaced wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 14:28:
Lol, that's funny! They didn't buy the game in the first place and you think they would buy it eventually after stealing it? That's a riot! No loss for the developer there at all, lol. Good riddance to the thief and all their 'friends'.

Plus, who in their right mind would ever accept a recommendation from a pirate? Oh yeah, lets listen to the very people who steal and help spread trojans, viruses, and malware for our PC game recommendations. That's laugh #2!

This DRM actually seems pretty effective. They get to find out who is stealing their software, the software stops working when the developer decides, and it alerts others. That's very good compared to restrictive use problems with some DRM systems. Nice! Others should start using this kind of thing more and move away from some of the restrictive DRM methods that hurt legitimate users.

We don't really exist in a world where there is a clear line separating pirates and legit customers anymore, the lines between them blurred a long time ago. Almost everyone I know has stolen music, movies and games at some point in their life, sometimes knowingly and other times not through seemingly "legit" programs.

I'm not defending the act of piracy in this case but it's hard to make such broad statements these days. Anti-piracy measures typically don't affect pirates as much as they affect legitimate customers and FADE-like systems have exhibited exactly that problem before. The assumption that everyone is a criminal until proven innocent is frankly a detestable way to treat your customers too. I recognize its a tough gig for the smaller companies but as many others have proven you can only really combat piracy through incentives and value.
 
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11. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:28 Spaced
 
Quboid wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 13:56:
Pirates are going to think your game is buggy and neither buy any of your stuff nor recommend it.

Lol, that's funny! They didn't buy the game in the first place and you think they would buy it eventually after stealing it? That's a riot! No loss for the developer there at all, lol. Good riddance to the thief and all their 'friends'.

Plus, who in their right mind would ever accept a recommendation from a pirate? Oh yeah, lets listen to the very people who steal and help spread trojans, viruses, and malware for our PC game recommendations. That's laugh #2!

This DRM actually seems pretty effective and user friendly (for -legal- users). They get to find out who is stealing their software, the software stops working when the developer decides, and it alerts others. That's very good compared to restrictive use problems for legal users with some DRM systems. Nice! Others should start using this kind of thing more and move away from some of the restrictive DRM methods that hurt legitimate users.
 
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10. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:25 raVen
 
They want to get into an arms war, with Pirates?
That sounds like a great way to polish your game. (I haven't played it, but I know we've NEVER had extra time when it comes to shipping games.)

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9. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 14:14 Creston
 
You've got to be a big sack of shit to pirate a game and then ask for help on the official forums. Good job, assholes.

Creston
 
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8. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 13:56 Quboid
 
I detest this concept so much. Pirates are going to think your game is buggy and neither buy any of your stuff nor recommend it. That's not a good thing. One or two pirates embarrass themselves like the guy on their forum, achieving sod all. Meanwhile, the bugs you didn't intend - and Bohemia Interactive Studios specialise in these - don't get addressed because you're too busy implementing intentional bugs, which may themselves be buggy, resulting in them being triggered incorrectly. Well done, geniuses.

(jimnms, he said he hadn't heard of BIS. That doesn't mean he hadn't heard of their games.)
 
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7. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 13:55 vermin
 
bohemia is not a household name? lol right. did you get your first pc this week as well?  
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6. Re: Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 13:33 jimnms
 
Beelzebud wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 13:08:
Personally the first time I heard of this company was this week, in relation to their DRM. I'm sure I'm not alone, they aren't exactly a house hold name.

You've never heard of Operation Flashpoint, ArmA or ArmA 2?
 
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5. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 13:09 Blackhawk
 
Oh, good. Another BI game that can erroneously think it is pirated and sabotage itself. At least this one doesn't wait until later when you're halfway through the campaign to tell you (Operation Flashpoint, I'm looking at you.)  
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4. Re: Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 13:08 Beelzebud
 
Suckage wrote on Nov 9, 2011, 12:58:
Bohemia Interactive are known chiefly for their DRM? Interesting.

Personally the first time I heard of this company was this week, in relation to their DRM. I'm sure I'm not alone, they aren't exactly a house hold name.
 
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3. Re: On Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 12:58 Scud
 
It's a new difficulty setting, clear viewing is for pussies.  
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2. Re: Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 12:58 Suckage
 
Bohemia Interactive are known chiefly for their DRM? Interesting.  
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1. Re: Take On Helicopters DRM; Demo Plans Nov 9, 2011, 12:43 Beelzebud
 
When you become known for your DRM, more than the actual game, you're doing it wrong.  
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