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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked?

VentureBeat has word that all or part of the PC edition of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 is in the hands of pirates after being stolen from a warehouse. The explanation of what was taken is a little vague: "Evidently, pirated discs began to spread quickly after an employee at a shipping warehouse (run by a huge shipping company) in Fresno, Calif., stole one disc. It’s not clear how many full copies spread this way, as the disc that was stolen was apparently Disc 2 of a two-disk set for the PC. Security may have been too tight for the thief to steal the other disc."

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67. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 31, 2011, 09:47 ^Drag0n^
 
Agreed.

If you make games that are good enough, the piracy becomes noise, just as in the film and music industries.

There are casual pirates and core pirates: core pirates NEVER intend on buying the game, so trying to fight them is a pointless battle. Casual pirates? Well, minimal DRM keeps most of them honest. If the game's great, they probably will buy it anyway.

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66. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 31, 2011, 04:47 Jerykk
 
All these pirates are doing is killing the pc gaming market, its about time that something was done about it. Ubisoft will stop making pc games and when all the big corps do so, then ppl will give a shit and it be too late.

Out of curiosity, what exactly is being done about it? Newer and more convoluted DRM schemes that inevitably get cracked anyway and end up being a burden only to legitimate customers? That's nothing new.

If publishers want to sell more PC games, they need to focus on making better PC games. That means ensuring stable, polished releases that include features that have been standard in PC games for over 10 years. It also means recognizing the differences between a TV vs a monitor and a gamepad vs M/KB. And not delaying PC ports for months after the console releases. Do these things and you will sell more PC games. Forcing players to enter lengthy serial numbers, activate their games online or remain online while playing is not going to result in more sales.
 
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65. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 31, 2011, 01:35 Prez
 
Jackplug wrote on Oct 31, 2011, 00:49:
It annoys me that there are ppl who have never bought a game and they then moan that there are no new games out.

I have no way of knowing, but I kinda doubt that there are many pirates out there who have never paid for any games, aside from maybe digital packrat/hoarder types who don't play any of the games they pirate.
 
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64. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 31, 2011, 01:05 Kawlisse
 
for 1 modchips is very easy to install, and for the xbox at least you just need to Jtag your drive to play backups, as for console updates! if your smart you dont update ... pretty easy and simple. No matter the amount of security they implement, it will fail. nothing will keep the hackers from doing what they do.  
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63. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 31, 2011, 00:55 Fion
 
Nobody buys Call of Duty for the singleplayer. Since you cant play multiplayer with a cracked version of the game, I really don't think it's that big a loss, no matter how many people DL it.

Same for BF3.
 
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62. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 31, 2011, 00:49 Jackplug
 
All these pirates are doing is killing the pc gaming market, its about time that something was done about it. Ubisoft will stop making pc games and when all the big corps do so, then ppl will give a shit and it be too late.

It annoys me that there are ppl who have never bought a game and they then moan that there are no new games out.
 
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61. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 18:50 Jerykk
 
You people need to stop your pipe dreams. Just because a couple dozen people on the Internet are posting to never buy a Ubi game again does not drive Ubi to the edge of bankruptcy. Ubi will survive even if their PC sales hit zero or if they stop making PC games altogether. They don't give two shits about us. Get a perspective or something. Jeez.

If they don't care about the PC market, why did they invest any resources at all into creating UbiDRM? And why do they continue to fund PC games, both ports and exclusives? Surprisingly, Ubisoft still publishes more PC-exclusives than any of the other big publishers. Obviously they do care about the PC market, otherwise they wouldn't bother doing any of this. If you want a good example of a publisher that doesn't care about PC gaming, look at Konami. Or Microsoft. Or Nintendo. Or Namco.
 
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60. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 17:04 xXBatmanXx
 
Ventura wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 07:54:
What needs to happen is bring to the PC the same level of piracy control found on consoles.

I'm with you mate. It has to happen.

There'd be a way too, but as long as the big guns make their bucks on the consoles, they're not going to care.

It's just a pity, because we're getting games that are just barely scratching the surface of what our machines are capable of.

? then it would just be a console - that will never happen.....we will always be able to tweak and play with game files.
 
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59. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 16:42 Prez
 
Did you pull that number out of your ass or out of your penis?

Both sound painful, but he got the number from Ubisoft themselves. The story was linked to on Blues not too long ago.

Can you imagine if this is the biggest seller ever, despite being cracked or leaked?

It will sell very well, but much less so on the PC. They will likely point to piracy, and this incident specifically, as the reason, when in truth piracy is probably only a small factor in PC sales of CoD. Most of the fans of games of this type seem to be console owners. That's not a slam - just an observation.
 
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58. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 16:40 Kajetan
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 15:40:
They don't give two shits about us.
Thats ok, because i dont give a shit about major publishers, especially Ubisoft

Did you pull that number out of your ass or out of your penis?
Eurogamer.net
Might be true.

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57. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 15:49 Acleacius
 
Even if they got the whole game I don't see how this incident will be any more than *a factless tool* for political or corporate propaganda.

Can you imagine if this is the biggest seller ever, despite being cracked or leaked? Nothing significant, for the reality based. Since it has been proven time and time again. A good game sells and it doesn't matter. At the very least it helps to Increase sells through exposure, from people who couldn't normally afford it. This for the simple fact they will undoubtedly join the Chorus of Praise.

As always the only people who will use and profit from this are politicos and sociopatalists like drm companies. They are probably already working of their misleading Corporate Scare Vids to show cronypoliticas.
 
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.That is easy.All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.It works the same way in any country.
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56. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 15:40 CJ_Parker
 
Kajetan wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 15:24:
Ubisoft is actually learning this the hard way with their 90% reduction of PC sales after the introduction of Ubi-DRM.

Did you pull that number out of your ass or out of your penis? This is not even remotely true. On a sales by platform basis Ubi's PC sales have fluctuated between something like 9% and 17% in the last year or so, i.e. they are selling ~90% of their games on other platforms than the PC. Going from 17% to 9% from one period to another (which by the way is a 50% decline and not 90%) could very well have to do with what games they had in the pipeline at a certain point in time. If Ubi releases a new Anno game (very popular PC-only franchise in Europe) then their PC sales will spike. If they don't have a new Anno then the PC sales will slump. That simple.

All in all if Ubi DRM even had any effect on their sales then it must have been completely negligible. Since they are selling 90% of their games on other platforms I'm sure they don't really give a fuck either way. Definitely no "hard way learning" involved.

You people need to stop your pipe dreams. Just because a couple dozen people on the Internet are posting to never buy a Ubi game again does not drive Ubi to the edge of bankruptcy. Ubi will survive even if their PC sales hit zero or if they stop making PC games altogether. They don't give two shits about us. Get a perspective or something. Jeez.

 
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55. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 15:24 Kajetan
 
Dev wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 14:26:
Having multiplayer be the main draw of the game such as with cd keys or something like steam accounts (or blizzard with star craft) is one great way to have a "carrot" instead of a "stick".
If a multiplayer game is popular enough, there will be in-official servers and/or LAN-emulators. Heck, even MMOs are being "pirated" through freeshards.

So as a result, IMHO, its far better to use carrot than stick, and have limited DRM such as steam. Most other measures are useless beyond screwing and annoying legitimate customers.
Of course the carrot works better than the stick when it comes to video games. Video games arent a necessity of life, there are nothing more than luxury. You cannot force someone to pay for something he doesnt need to exist. You will NOT get more revenue by trying to force people into paying. Ubisoft is actually learning this the hard way with their 90% reduction of PC sales after the introduction of Ubi-DRM.

Learn to live with "piracy", learn to make attractive games, care for your customer and dont spend ressources on people who wont give you their money anyway.
 
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54. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 14:26 Dev
 
Ventura wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 07:54:
Comet wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 07:25:
What needs to happen is bring to the PC the same level of piracy control found on consoles.

I'm with you mate. It has to happen.

There'd be a way too
Can't happen as long as PC's are open. Keep in mind that consoles are filled with all sorts of anti piracy measures. Encrypted communications (so you can't tap in and read the signals with oscilloscopes), encrypted BIOS stuff, hashes so only official changes can be made to BIOS, etc. I've read a article or two about the xbox 360 anti piracy stuff, its interesting. I suggest you do the same.

Point is, PC's are NEVER going to be that way as long as they are open platforms. Even apple, which likes to have full control control over the platform (see iphone) hasn't done anything like that for their computers. Companies and people need to accept that.

Typically, the best companies can do is prevent pre-release piracy on PC (nowadays much of the pre-release leaks and piracy is on consoles), and that's IF they use something like valve did with HL2, such as keeping a couple final critical files out of the disks, and not letting them get downloaded until release day. They also have to be totally anal about controlling any review copies, etc.

The other thing they can try/hope for is no crack for a few days after release, but that is a million times harder, and usually requires something crazy like ubi's always on DRM, or starforce, which drives customers away.

Having even the most minor of copy protection slightly reduces casual piracy, where people copy disks for friends, but that's only if the friends don't know about cracks.

Having multiplayer be the main draw of the game such as with cd keys or something like steam accounts (or blizzard with star craft) is one great way to have a "carrot" instead of a "stick". People might pirate MW3 for the 3 hour single player campaign, but most who want to play it are going to want the multiplayer experience, and they will need to pay for that.

Other ways to have carrots are things like stardock does, lots of content updates for legit owners. Pirates can still play the game if they want to "demo" it, but its the unpatched one.

So as a result, IMHO, its far better to use carrot than stick, and have limited DRM such as steam. Most other measures are useless beyond screwing and annoying legitimate customers.

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53. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 13:39 Asteen
 
MrBone wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 10:26:
eunichron wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 00:46:
Beelzebud wrote on Oct 29, 2011, 21:11:
Still not sure how this is news, or even a leak. 1 CD out of 2 is leaked, and there is no crack available, despite what's been said here. Wow, what a scandal. Meanwhile people were playing Rage on 360 2 weeks before the release, and not a word about it on "news" sites.

http://i41.tinypic.com/16k6cgp.jpg

The full thing is out, but yes, no crack. It's just a matter of time, though... a day or two at the most.

This is exactly what they said about Bioshock back in the day....then it was cracked 11 days after a lot of crying. Your estimates don't mean crap.

Interestingly, neither does your rejection of them
 
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52. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 12:55 Tumbler
 
There is another way. Stop releasing games on the PC. No games, no piracy! No? Still enough money to be made on the PC platform? Then just stop worrying about things you cant stop or prevent. Stop worrying about things you dont even have a proof that they are damaging your sales.

Offer free trials of new software. Not demo's, full product free trials. You "buy" the game, pay the full price, then you have a 24 hour period where you can return for a full refund.

Getting a refund would be a little trickier...Someone buys a game from greenman gaming and then after 24 hours wants a refund, not sure how that would work. Should be easy on Digital systems like origin and steam, gets trickier dealing with 3rd parties.

Maybe the refund could be "store credit" at the online store like Origin or steam. All pc games are basically nothing more than codes now, you can't play almost anything without checking permissions from the company.

This would keep piracy in check. So far pc game publishes have been more inclined to simply squeeze legit customers harder with each new release while scaling back the content and quality of a product.

Make being a legit customer easier than being a pirate. It's worked for the music industry (itunes) and the film industry (netflix), it's time for the gaming industry to wake up. The pc gaming industry in pariticular, the consoles offer a lot of options that all seem easier than piracy. Redbox rentals for $2, try the game before you buy for 24-48 hours (depending on how late you want to drive back to the redbox). Retail trade in programs, enormous retail competition offering $20-$30 in credits.
 
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51. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 12:41 eRe4s3r
 
Yeah, but the source engine does static levels the size of my living room and has a loading bar every 7 corners. And these fake shadows don't count ~.~ as a graphics guy I actually notice all the things that are lacking, its a curse...

But then, i don't know what FPS you played ^^
 
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50. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 12:29 Beelzebud
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 30, 2011, 12:20:
Unless they scrap the source engine, or basically entirely rewrite it they'll never even do so much as a hop. Guessing this is the real holdup for HL3, they know that HL2 EP2 showed the engine to be a dead end. No amount of art expertise you throw at it will make it look even HALF as good as any decent/recent full DX10 only game

I reject your premise. EP2 looked fine for a 2007 game, even having a lighting system that produced cool shadows without sacrificing 20fps to do it. Frankly EP2 is still a better game than most of the crap FPS games I've played since then.
 
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49. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 12:20 eRe4s3r
 
Unless they scrap the source engine, or basically entirely rewrite it they'll never even do so much as a hop. Guessing this is the real holdup for HL3, they know that HL2 EP2 showed the engine to be a dead end. No amount of art expertise you throw at it will make it look even HALF as good as any decent/recent full DX10 only game  
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48. Re: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Leaked? Oct 30, 2011, 12:04 Matshock
 
The one thing a PC player can't do is go to a Redbox and rent MW3 for $2.00/night that goes to Redbox instead of Activision.

Selling MW3 on a console not only means paying Valve for DRM it also means paying MS or Sony royalties as well.

And now with digital content delivery on PCs the margins are certainly in favor of PC sales.

 
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