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Out of the Blue

Fed up with Chrome almost always starting up with a complaint that it hadn't been shut down properly, I did a little Googling to see if the source of this problem could be identified. I found threads on this dating back years, with the most tried and true solution being to uninstall the browser, delete all its orphaned subdirectories, and start from scratch. Not having the time or inclination to subject myself to all that, I tried a secondary solution that involved deleting some .tmp files Chrome seems to have generated somewhere along the way. This seems to have mostly cured things, though I had a single incident since trying it. Hopefully this will stick, as it was a bit of a pain.

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35. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 15:59 The Pyro
 
Now my nerd radar is got me interested. Would it be easy for you to repeat the same experiment with Chrome and see how many formats it supports?

Chrome support 10 formats when dragging hyperlinks. Both Chrome and Firefox support the text/x-moz-url format, which provides simple text data consisting of the URL on the 1st line and the page title on the 2nd line.

I saw only one data format shared by all 3 browsers (Chrome, IE9, Firefox) which includes the page title, and that was a standard FileGroupDescriptor/FileContents format(s). It basically just puts a shortcut file on the clipboard. I have no idea why Blue's HTML editor doesn't like the shortcut file provided by Firefox.

There's another possibility that I didn't think of earlier. Since it's the recipient's job to choose an available format, some programs might go with Format A over Format B just because it comes first in the list. In other words you could have Firefox and Chrome providing the exact same formats, but depending on the order in which they're added you might see different results. The recipient has to be the one to prioritize that stuff.

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34. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 15:40 Creston
 
Enahs wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 15:25:
Now my nerd radar is got me interested.

I think that's called your penis...



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33. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 15:25 Enahs
 
The Pyro wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:54:
I'm a developer. Please allow me to clear up any confusion regarding hyperlinks

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Using the latest version of Firefox (v7.0.1, downloaded today) I performed a simple test by dragging-and-dropping a hyperlink onto a custom application. I manually inspected the data associated with the drag/drop operation and saw 14 different data formats available, including HTML Format. The title of the linked page was included as part of the data.

Now my nerd radar is got me interested. Would it be easy for you to repeat the same experiment with Chrome and see how many formats it supports?
 
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32. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 15:20  Blue 
 
Enahs wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:21:
Chrome not creating proper links in my HTML editor works fine for you?
You said FF was not creating proper links, not Chrome. And I said FF does, for me. You said your technical issue with FF was it not creating proper links; but that tech related issues works fine for me. So yes, my original comment still stands.

Yeah, I meant Firefox.

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3) His HTML editor doesn't support the data format(s) which Firefox uses to include the web page title in a dropped hyperlink.

That's most assuredly it.
 
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31. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 15:00 Creston
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:54:
Now if we could just get more competition in the PC CPU industry...

Apple's hard at work at creating their own CPUs. Of course, they'll be of little use to PC users...

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30. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 14:54 jdreyer
 
Sorry to hear about all your Chrome troubles, Blue. I've been using it almost since the day it came out without very many issues. I prefer it for it's minimalist design and blazing speed.

These days all the newest browsers are pretty good, even IE9. Hooray for competition! Now if we could just get more competition in the PC CPU industry...
 
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29. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 14:54 The Pyro
 
I'm a developer. Please allow me to clear up any confusion regarding hyperlinks

Drag/drop operations in Windows cause data to be provided by the host application (e.g. Firefox) in a variety of formats (e.g. plain text, HTML, whatever else is applicable). It's up to the receiver to pick one those formats and handle it appropriately.

Using the latest version of Firefox (v7.0.1, downloaded today) I performed a simple test by dragging-and-dropping a hyperlink onto a custom application. I manually inspected the data associated with the drag/drop operation and saw 14 different data formats available, including HTML Format. The title of the linked page was included as part of the data.

I was able to drag hyperlinks into Windows Explorer without issues, and the title of the linked page showed up correctly.

Therefore Blue's problem must be caused by one of the following:
1) He's not running Windows, which invalidates my entire test
2) He's using an older version of Firefox which doesn't provide the same data formats when initiating a drag/drop operation.
3) His HTML editor doesn't support the data format(s) which Firefox uses to include the web page title in a dropped hyperlink.
 
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28. Re: Chrome Oct 13, 2011, 14:45 jdreyer
 
Blue wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:08:
Jim wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:01:
Blue, I had mentioned this a couple times in the past, but could you kindly remove link underlines in your CSS? This would make this site much easier to read in Chrome and go a long way in getting me to finally ditch Firefox.

Thanks

I'm sorry, but there are no plans to do this. For most users underlined links are considered standard, so removing them is a problem for more people than leaving them. If there were something I could add or remove from the CSS to make underlines optional, I would gladly do that.

Also, the underlining makes it easy to read for colorblind users who may not pick up the color changes, and while links are bolded, a lot of other text that aren't links is also bolded.
 
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27. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 14:30 Creston
 
PHJF wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 12:56:
I only the other day realized within FF I could rightclick a URL (not a link) and select "go to URL". I've been copying URLs to the bar for years.

You Luddite.

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26. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 14:21 Enahs
 
Blue wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 13:19:

Right, it can't be that this is a bug in Firefox since version 1, because Firefox is infallible, and the fact that Chrome came out years later and works fine is because they are supporting some "archaic standard that FF ditched." I am growing more comfortable than ever before that you are trolling me.


I am not trolling and your comment sounds more like trolling to me. I am just stating a fact that the technical issue you complained about is not a technical issue for me. I never said FF was infallible, I just said that with the current version it works fine for me. I never said anything bad about Chrome. Saying that the reason MIGHT be that FF does not support an old standard is not an insult to Chrome. Or again, as I said, it works for me in the current version and implied that yes maybe they just now added it. You are trolling and I evoke the troll bashing emoticon on you! Trollbashing

Chrome not creating proper links in my HTML editor works fine for you?
You said FF was not creating proper links, not Chrome. And I said FF does, for me. You said your technical issue with FF was it not creating proper links; but that tech related issues works fine for me. So yes, my original comment still stands.


 
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25. Re: Chrome Oct 13, 2011, 14:08  Blue 
 
Jim wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:01:
Blue, I had mentioned this a couple times in the past, but could you kindly remove link underlines in your CSS? This would make this site much easier to read in Chrome and go a long way in getting me to finally ditch Firefox.

Thanks

I'm sorry, but there are no plans to do this. For most users underlined links are considered standard, so removing them is a problem for more people than leaving them. If there were something I could add or remove from the CSS to make underlines optional, I would gladly do that.
 
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24. Chrome Oct 13, 2011, 14:01 Jim
 
Blue, I had mentioned this a couple times in the past, but could you kindly remove link underlines in your CSS? This would make this site much easier to read in Chrome and go a long way in getting me to finally ditch Firefox.

Thanks
 
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23. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 13:27 Pankin
 
No one here has suggested Ccleaner so I'll just go ahead and do it meeself.

I've never received such a message from Chrome (aside from when it crashes which is very seldom indeed) because I keep my PC's bowels clean with Ccleaner from Piriform.

Whuzzup?
 
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22. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 13:19  Blue 
 
Enahs wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 13:05:
So, either your HTML editor is using some archaic standard that FF ditched but the others still support; or something else is going on!

Right, it can't be that this is a bug in Firefox since version 1, because Firefox is infallible, and the fact that Chrome came out years later and works fine is because they are supporting some "archaic standard that FF ditched." I am growing more comfortable than ever before that you are trolling me.

I am not telling you to stop using Chrome; I could care less what you use. I am just saying; your main tech related issues works just fine for me.

Chrome not creating proper links in my HTML editor works fine for you? Trollbashing
 
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21. Congratulations Oct 13, 2011, 13:11 Quboid
 
Congratulations on passing the 600,000,000 visitors mark. That's insane.  
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20. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 13:07 nin
 
Yes I do.
I do not know anything about the standards, but it works for me in not just creating desktop shortcuts. It works in 3 different word document editors. And I just tried it with several different web based HTML editors and it works just fine as well.

So, either your HTML editor is using some archaic standard that FF ditched but the others still support; or something else is going on!


I think he's saying you're the issue, Blue.

 
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19. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 13:05 Enahs
 
Blue wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 12:20:
Enahs wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 11:33:
Blue, When I drag and drop links with FireFox, it uses the Title property and not the link URL.....You must not be dragging and dropping properly!

Man, do you love disagreeing with me!

Or it is finally implemented in the latest version. Or you have something configured oddly.

Or we are talking about two different things. This works correctly when creating desktop shortcuts, but not in my HTML editor.

Yes I do.
I do not know anything about the standards, but it works for me in not just creating desktop shortcuts. It works in 3 different word document editors. And I just tried it with several different web based HTML editors and it works just fine as well (and I launched the HTML editor in the three different browsers, and even to the other browsers it transferred over just fine form FF).

So, either your HTML editor is using some archaic standard that FF ditched but the others still support; or something else is going on!


I am not telling you to stop using Chrome; I could care less what you use. I am just saying; your main tech related issues works just fine for me.
 
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18. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 12:56 PHJF
 
I only the other day realized within FF I could rightclick a URL (not a link) and select "go to URL". I've been copying URLs to the bar for years.  
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17. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 12:20  Blue 
 
Enahs wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 11:33:
Blue, When I drag and drop links with FireFox, it uses the Title property and not the link URL.....You must not be dragging and dropping properly!

Man, do you love disagreeing with me!

Or it is finally implemented in the latest version. Or you have something configured oddly.

Or we are talking about two different things. This works correctly when creating desktop shortcuts, but not in my HTML editor.
 
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16. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 12:07 DNForever
 
Bill Watterson def. made the dad in C&H after his own image.  
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