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Out of the Blue

Fed up with Chrome almost always starting up with a complaint that it hadn't been shut down properly, I did a little Googling to see if the source of this problem could be identified. I found threads on this dating back years, with the most tried and true solution being to uninstall the browser, delete all its orphaned subdirectories, and start from scratch. Not having the time or inclination to subject myself to all that, I tried a secondary solution that involved deleting some .tmp files Chrome seems to have generated somewhere along the way. This seems to have mostly cured things, though I had a single incident since trying it. Hopefully this will stick, as it was a bit of a pain.

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55. Re: Chrome Oct 15, 2011, 10:22  Frans 
 
Enahs wrote on Oct 14, 2011, 09:59:
Blue wrote on Oct 14, 2011, 09:24:
Jim wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 19:33:
This is the only site that I visit regularly that forces them, and as a web developer (13 years) I don't recall one incident where this became an issue.

Okay, now I'm confused. I thought you were asking for code to remove underlines, but it sounds like we are adding code that forces them?

I believe he is saying, that if you do not force link underlines on through the css code (just remove that entire line) it will do what the browser is set to by default. By default in most browsers links are underlined, but you can turn that off for your browser.
The style sheets don't meddle with link underlines, and I'm able to turn them off in my Firefox (3.6.23 on Linux and Windows, dunno about other browsers). So I don't understand why Jim can't.
 
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54. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 14, 2011, 16:46 Mr. Tact
 
Blue wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 17:57:
It's actually the much-reviled FrontPage 2003.

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53. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 14, 2011, 16:43 Mr. Tact
 
kanniballl wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 11:35:
FireFox is great now though so I wouldn't mind switching back.

So, I'm curious... if you did switch back, which verison of FireFox would you use? The reason I ask is I've stuck with version 3 and frankly, haven't heard a reason to "upgrade".
 
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52. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 14, 2011, 10:01 Verno
 
I didn't bother looking at your style sheets but I'm assuming he means letting the browser decide to add them or not by defining the text-decoration style and avoiding the use of the underline style. Most browsers will add underlines by default IIRC but I'm unsure about the newer ones, its been awhile since I did any web stuff.  
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51. Re: Chrome Oct 14, 2011, 09:59 Enahs
 
Blue wrote on Oct 14, 2011, 09:24:
Jim wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 19:33:
This is the only site that I visit regularly that forces them, and as a web developer (13 years) I don't recall one incident where this became an issue.

Okay, now I'm confused. I thought you were asking for code to remove underlines, but it sounds like we are adding code that forces them?

Can you clarify that for me? And as Sarris says in Galaxy Quest, "Explain as you would a child."

I believe he is saying, that if you do not force link underlines on through the css code (just remove that entire line) it will do what the browser is set to by default. By default in most browsers links are underlined, but you can turn that off for your browser.

 
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50. Re: Chrome Oct 14, 2011, 09:24  Blue 
 
Jim wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 19:33:
This is the only site that I visit regularly that forces them, and as a web developer (13 years) I don't recall one incident where this became an issue.

Okay, now I'm confused. I thought you were asking for code to remove underlines, but it sounds like we are adding code that forces them?

Can you clarify that for me? And as Sarris says in Galaxy Quest, "Explain as you would a child."
 
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49. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 22:02 Jim
 
Dades wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 21:24:
Firebug and a copy of notepad++ are probably more compliant and fully featured than using Frontpage. I can't even remember if Frontpage had basic CSS support or not, its so outdated that Microsoft won't even support it anymore. There has to be better WYSIWYG editors these days too. Sometimes its worth switching tools when it benefits your workflow in the long run and allows you to save time.

I've been using EditPlus for about 8 years. It's not WYSIWYG but I have amassed a lot of template code over the years that I can quickly paste in. I have occasionally had to deal with code produced in Front Page (it's been a long time since), but the absolute WORST WYSIWIG editor used to be Dreamweaver. From what I gather newer versions are improved, but I recall having to debug code that produced a site even simpler in layout than Blues News that consisted of a 20 column table, custom tags and all. The web has certainly become a much kinder place since then, but now it's Microsoft that is the most despised player on the web by leaving their antiquated browsers festering for eons.
 
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48. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 21:24 Dades
 
Firebug and a copy of notepad++ are probably more compliant and fully featured than using Frontpage. I can't even remember if Frontpage had basic CSS support or not, its so outdated that Microsoft won't even support it anymore. There has to be better WYSIWYG editors these days too. Sometimes its worth switching tools when it benefits your workflow in the long run and allows you to save time.  
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47. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 21:13 Sepharo
 
You guys should see how The Oatmeal draws his web comic with just a vector program and a mouse, clickin like a mad man.  
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46. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 20:59 kanniballl
 
nin wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 18:19:
Flintstones, meet the Flintstones.

Is that the version with the pterodactyl that types your code onto rock tablets?

This is quickly turning into tease Blue day. I have an excuse, I'm on painkillers...

(Sorry, Blue! )


Hey, be kind.

If it was good enough to chisel the 10 Commandments, it's good enough to render Blues. /rimshot


In all seriousness, if it ain't broke... don't fix it. Re-inventing the wheel (or a website) every X years might feed a consultant's family (or give a programmer something to do) but it's boring and only a handful of users ever notice. The projects I despise the most are "Let's migrate from platform X to Y for this website/application because Y is newer."

Keep on trucking Blue... besides Slashdot you're the only site I've visited since the 90's... and I'm not here for the whiz-bang features and eye-candy.

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45. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 19:50 Quboid
 
Blue wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 17:57:
Fang wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 16:26:
Now I'm really curious which HTML editor you are using.

It's actually the much-reviled FrontPage 2003.

Shocked

FrontPage?

It evidently does the job but I'm amazed that anyone still uses that, never mind the web master, sorry, el Presidente of an internet cornerstone.

600 million plus ... on FrontPage. That's all the more impressive.
 
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44. Re: Chrome Oct 13, 2011, 19:33 Jim
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:45:
Blue wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:08:
Jim wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:01:
Blue, I had mentioned this a couple times in the past, but could you kindly remove link underlines in your CSS? This would make this site much easier to read in Chrome and go a long way in getting me to finally ditch Firefox.

Thanks

I'm sorry, but there are no plans to do this. For most users underlined links are considered standard, so removing them is a problem for more people than leaving them. If there were something I could add or remove from the CSS to make underlines optional, I would gladly do that.

Also, the underlining makes it easy to read for colorblind users who may not pick up the color changes, and while links are bolded, a lot of other text that aren't links is also bolded.

No colorblindness here fortunately, but extremely near-sighted. I guess I'll have to keep Firefox around just for reading Blues News.

This is the only site that I visit regularly that forces them, and as a web developer (13 years) I don't recall one incident where this became an issue.
 
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43. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 18:39 jdreyer
 
Blue wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 17:57:
Fang wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 16:26:
Now I'm really curious which HTML editor you are using.

It's actually the much-reviled FrontPage 2003.

Wow. Didn't see that one coming.

On the other hand, once you've been using something for years there are switching costs when moving to something different, and given that Blue does this site every day, it doesn't leave much time for figuring out new applications.
 
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42. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 18:19 nin
 
Blue wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 17:57:
Fang wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 16:26:
Now I'm really curious which HTML editor you are using.

It's actually the much-reviled FrontPage 2003.


Flintstones, meet the Flintstones.

Is that the version with the pterodactyl that types your code onto rock tablets?

This is quickly turning into tease Blue day. I have an excuse, I'm on painkillers...

(Sorry, Blue! )

 
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41. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 17:57  Blue 
 
Fang wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 16:26:
Now I'm really curious which HTML editor you are using.

It's actually the much-reviled FrontPage 2003.
 
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40. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 16:37 nin
 
Fang wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 16:26:
Now I'm really curious which HTML editor you are using.


I wondered that also.

Also, The Pyro wins the thread.
 
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39. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 16:35 Enahs
 
Creston wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 15:40:
Enahs wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 15:25:
Now my nerd radar is got me interested.

I think that's called your penis...



No my penis gets me interested in in hot women.
 
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38. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 16:28 Fang
 
The outfit Apple bought wasn't focused on making PC cpu's (hence Creston's comment) but cpu's to be used in things like iPhone's and iPad's.  
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37. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 16:26 Fang
 
Now I'm really curious which HTML editor you are using.
 
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36. Re: Out of the Blue Oct 13, 2011, 16:20 kanniballl
 
Creston wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 15:00:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 13, 2011, 14:54:
Now if we could just get more competition in the PC CPU industry...

Apple's hard at work at creating their own CPUs. Of course, they'll be of little use to PC users...

Creston

Eh, I hadn't heard that. Last I heard they were happy in the Intel camp. It's really hard to make as much fun about Macs as you used to.

But considering how long they held onto the PPC cpus, I wouldn't put it past them. But I think that was mostly Steve's "thing" and with him gone I'd *imagine* they'll stick with the status quo.
 
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