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More Sony Hacking

Sony reveals it has locked out over 100,000 accounts from the PlayStation Network and other online services following a spike in unauthorized login attempts, reports the New York Times. Word is: "In a statement Wednesday, Sony said it suspected that hackers had obtained login data from other Web sites or sources and used those to try to gain access to Sony accounts. Access was thought to have been gained to only a handful of accounts, and no credit card or other sensitive data were stolen, Sony said."

The PSN suffered a data breach in April that resulted in significant downtime followed by several further incidents which only seemed to end when Anonymous decided to cease the attacks. Sony has since taken further measures to protect against such breaches: Last month they amended their terms of service to disallow users from initiating class action lawsuits against them.

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15. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 18:41 Dev
 
jacobvandy wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 15:30:
That's less than 0.1% of all of their users that will be asked to change their password.
That sounds really small... until one realizes that 0.1% of a big number (the millions of total accounts) means even 0.1% is significant. Its 100,000 accounts.

And yeah, it may not be sony's fault this time IF they are correct in saying its stolen from another site. But do you trust sony to tell the entire truth about a fresh incident when they are still smarting from the past series?
 
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14. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 15:30 jacobvandy
 
According to Sony, the "overwhelming majority" of the login attempts failed, and only 93,000 accounts were locked for their own protection when a match was made (to prevent anything being compromised). That's less than 0.1% of all of their users that will be asked to change their password. That's it, really a non-story, but because of the controversy earlier this year, everyone likes to pile on...

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13. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 14:17 Jivaro
 
Blue wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 13:21:
Atomic wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 12:52:
Using a name and password that is not yours to gain access to an account that is not yours is hacking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(computer_security)

Part 2 Research and Information Gathering It is in this stage that the hacker will visit or contact the target in some way in hopes of finding out vital information that will help them access the system. The main way that hackers get desired results from this stage is from Social Engineering, which will be explained below. Aside from Social Engineering hackers can also use a technique called Dumpster Diving. Dumpster Diving is when a hacker will literally dive into a dumpster in hopes to find documents that users have thrown away, which will help them gain access to a network.

Fair enough.
 
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12. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 13:55 Bumpy
 
This would explain why I could not login in to PSN this morning.  
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11. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 13:41 Beamer
 
^Drag0n^ wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 13:36:
Got to back up Blue here. Brute force hacking of passwords is the oldest hack out there. The "Social Engineering" aspect is a more recent slant on it, which is not only surprisingly effective, but also the subject of a contest at BlackHat/WhiteHat each year where participants compete by cold-calling someone and obtaining a list of key information to win (user ID, antivirus type, email login, etc...)

Large scale use of this method is definitely an attack on Sony, not just the individual users.

If it's brute force.
If it's using a username/password list released by anonymous or some such in the past few months then I'd say it's not Sony that's the victim but the users. If it's a brute force, in that there's an automated program making sequential password guesses then I'll agree it's on Sony, as they should be timing things out.
 
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10. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 13:36 ^Drag0n^
 
Got to back up Blue here. Brute force hacking of passwords is the oldest hack out there. The "Social Engineering" aspect is a more recent slant on it, which is not only surprisingly effective, but also the subject of a contest at BlackHat/WhiteHat each year where participants compete by cold-calling someone and obtaining a list of key information to win (user ID, antivirus type, email login, etc...)

Large scale use of this method is definitely an attack on Sony, not just the individual users.
 
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9. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 13:21  Blue 
 
Atomic wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 12:52:
Using a name and password that is not yours to gain access to an account that is not yours is hacking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_(computer_security)

Part 2 Research and Information Gathering It is in this stage that the hacker will visit or contact the target in some way in hopes of finding out vital information that will help them access the system. The main way that hackers get desired results from this stage is from Social Engineering, which will be explained below. Aside from Social Engineering hackers can also use a technique called Dumpster Diving. Dumpster Diving is when a hacker will literally dive into a dumpster in hopes to find documents that users have thrown away, which will help them gain access to a network.
 
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8. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 13:12 yuastnav
 
Atomic wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 12:52:
Using a name and password that is not yours to gain access to an account that is not yours is hacking.

I hope you're being sarcastic.
 
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7. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 12:52 Atomic
 
Using a name and password that is not yours to gain access to an account that is not yours is hacking.  
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6. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 12:45 Jivaro
 
Blue wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 12:04:
Jivaro wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 11:26:
Yeah, umm..Blue...your headline is a bit misleading don't you think? I mean, Sony didn't get hacked this time.

A headline rarely captures every nuance of the story.

That said, the statement "Sony said it suspected that hackers had obtained login data from other Web sites or sources and used those to try to gain access to Sony accounts" seems to clearly indicate that this was "hackers" attempting "to try to gain access to Sony accounts." How is the headline misleading?

Because it implies that Sony was hacked, when that is not the case. Someone else was hacked and the spoils of said hacking were used to access accounts with Sony. At least that is my understanding. Is that wrong? I mean, for all we know, this information was also used to access accounts at various other places like Bioware, MSN, Yahoo...etc...and they haven't said anything about it yet or the number of affected users are so small they aren't planning on saying anything.

A more appropriate headline, or at least humorous anyway, would be "Sony reports that idiots that use the same username and password everywhere still exist". I know headlines rarely tell the whole story, but the implication isn't really close to the reality in this case.
 
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5. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 12:04  Blue 
 
Jivaro wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 11:26:
Yeah, umm..Blue...your headline is a bit misleading don't you think? I mean, Sony didn't get hacked this time.

A headline rarely captures every nuance of the story.

That said, the statement "Sony said it suspected that hackers had obtained login data from other Web sites or sources and used those to try to gain access to Sony accounts" seems to clearly indicate that this was "hackers" attempting "to try to gain access to Sony accounts." How is the headline misleading?
 
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4. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 11:33 eRe4s3r
 
So why would anyone hack a site for logins and then ONLY use these on sony PSN - there isn't any indication what was hacked here, it could just as well be something related to sony... or might as well not be. We don't know that, so the hackline.. heh, headline is not wrong per sť, its about Sony Hacking after all, not hacking sony, or sony being hacked.  
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3. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 11:26 Jivaro
 
Beamer wrote on Oct 12, 2011, 11:12:
Well, there's nothing here you can sue Sony for. If you use the same login for PSN on another site, that site gets hacked and your PSN account gets taken there isn't really anything Sony did wrong. For once.

They can't be blamed for the stupidity of others.
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Yeah, umm..Blue...your headline is a bit misleading don't you think? I mean, Sony didn't get hacked this time. Not defending them or anything, just saying...hard to hold them accountable for another site getting hacked and people using the same username/password info.
 
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2. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 11:12 Beamer
 
Well, there's nothing here you can sue Sony for. If you use the same login for PSN on another site, that site gets hacked and your PSN account gets taken there isn't really anything Sony did wrong. For once.

They can't be blamed for the stupidity of others.
 
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1. Re: More Sony Hacking Oct 12, 2011, 11:03 Sleeeeepy
 
Heh, the dry sarcasm in that last sentence made me grin  
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