PC Arkham City Delayed Until November

Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment offers a terse announcement that the Windows edition of Batman: Arkham City will miss the planned October release dates for the superhero sequel, though the console editions are still on track for release in North America on October 18th, in Australia on October 19th, and in Europe and other territories on October 21st. Here are some new screenshots, and here's the announcement:
Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment and Rocksteady Studios are releasing the PC version of Batman: Arkham City in November. The Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of the game will be available on 21st October in the UK.
On a semi-related note, Joystiq notes that GameStop has word that the Batman: The Animated Series skin is a PowerUp Rewards member exclusive (thanks nin via Shacknews), though it was recently revealed that the preorder skins will also be offered as post-release DLC.
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November
Sep 21, 2011, 09:41
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November Sep 21, 2011, 09:41
Sep 21, 2011, 09:41
 
Releasing against MW3 is a bad idea. An enormous amount of the console population will be sucked into multiplayer for about a month, strangling sales of anything else.
Releasing against Skyrim is a bad idea. Anyone not sucked into MW3 multiplayer will be sucked into 80-100 hours of Skyrim.

All the others are fair game as far a competition goes.


Also, no one is "crying," people are saying that it doesn't make much business sense. But what would make more? Releasing it unfinished? Holding off until post-holidays, after people have stopped hoarding new games in the shrink-wrap and just as some of those new games are hitting sale prices?
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Sep 21, 2011, 07:02
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November Sep 21, 2011, 07:02
Sep 21, 2011, 07:02
 
SS3 is set to be released on the same day Arkham City is (was) being released, and HOMM the week before. They may not be what you consider major players, but the fact remains they are (were) in direct competition for gamers dollars and time. Some people prefer strategy games over TPS action or shooters. Others will spend $35 on Serious Sam over $50 or $60 on Batman.

I guess Lego Harry Potter and Dance Party 9 are direct competition too. November is loaded with big releases, more than October and a few in the same action genre as Batman, end of story. This probably has nothing to do with competition anyway, PC versions are usually delayed for publisher crap and technical problems.

But you guys feel free to keep on crying because a game was delayed a few weeks. So many games to play. Such a rough life.

Crying? You sound like some 12 year old in a console FPS game. Such a hard life bitching at other people and picking pointless fights on the web. The next time you complain about anything, ever, we'll be sure to remind you about this. People are worried that the game will be overshadowed by other big releases on the PC and that the publisher might not put the same money, care or even effort at all into the next release due to poor sales. It's a pretty common tale on the PC.

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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November
Sep 21, 2011, 04:12
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November Sep 21, 2011, 04:12
Sep 21, 2011, 04:12
 
Genre doesn't matter. Trying to make genre comparisons game to game with AAA titles to determine what will sell in the holiday season is fucking ridiculous. Nor does the hours played in games matter to most people.

Genre doesn't matter? Interesting. I guess Arkham City represents as much competition to MW3 as BF3 does... oh wait, no, it doesn't because it's in a completely different genre. Genre very obviously matters for what I thought were logical reasons. People who enjoy a game in a specific genre tend to enjoy other games in said genre. If two new games come out in the same genre but the player can only afford one, those two titles must directly compete for the player's money because the player will likely have an interest in both. Conversely, if a different game in a different genre is released, it is not competing directly with those titles. It may not even be competing at all if the player has no interest in that genre. Therefore, if you're going to release a game, it makes more sense to release it during a month where there are no other new releases in the same genre.

And yes, length does matter. People have a finite amount of time to play games. If they know a game is going to take a long time to complete (as open-world games are known to do), they are less likely to buy other games around the same time period because they know they'll be spending all their time with one game. That's why most people only play one MMO at a time. That's also why releasing an open-world action game in the same month as Skyrim is retarded. If I know I'm going to put 100+ hours into Skyrim, why would I buy anything else in the same month? Why would I buy a 40 hour game like Arkham City, no less?

I'm sorry, I forgot we weren't having a discussion that involves opinions, but we are actually on the Jerykk show where he dictates what matters to whom.

This isn't about opinion. It's about common sense. The debate is about whether or not November provides more competition for Arkham City than October. The answer is yes, it does, because there are several, high-profile open-world action games being released in November. This isn't an opinion, it's a logical conclusion.

SS3 is set to be released on the same day Arkham City is (was) being released, and HOMM the week before. They may not be what you consider major players, but the fact remains they are (were) in direct competition for gamers dollars and time. Some people prefer strategy games over TPS action or shooters. Others will spend $35 on Serious Sam over $50 or $60 on Batman.

Oh please. You seriously need to reevaluate your definition of "direct competition." A relatively obscure, PC-exclusive, old-school shooter and a relatively-obscure, PC-exclusive, turn-based strategy game aren't even directly competing with one another, let alone Arkham City. If you're honestly trying to argue that the majority of Arkham City's audience has even heard of Serious Sam or HOMM, you're pretty delusional. It's significantly more likely that they've heard of and have an interest in Skyrim, Saints Row 3 and AssCreed Revelations, given that they are all big-budget, console-centric, open-world action games.

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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November
Sep 21, 2011, 03:43
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November Sep 21, 2011, 03:43
Sep 21, 2011, 03:43
 
Dades wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 22:56:
Serious Sam 3 and HOMM6 aren't exactly unit pushers like Call of Duty and Rage is totally unproven.

SS3 is set to be released on the same day Arkham City is (was) being released, and HOMM the week before. They may not be what you consider major players, but the fact remains they are (were) in direct competition for gamers dollars and time. Some people prefer strategy games over TPS action or shooters. Others will spend $35 on Serious Sam over $50 or $60 on Batman.

If you feel you have more time to play come Oct 18 and wont have time in November, then feel free to get the console version.

But you guys feel free to keep on crying because a game was delayed a few weeks. So many games to play. Such a rough life.

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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November
Sep 21, 2011, 03:27
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November Sep 21, 2011, 03:27
Sep 21, 2011, 03:27
 
Genre doesn't matter. Trying to make genre comparisons game to game with AAA titles to determine what will sell in the holiday season is fucking ridiculous. Nor does the hours played in games matter to most people.

That's all well and good but this isn't a debate about which games you care about the most. It's about which games the majority of the gaming public care about most.

I'm sorry, I forgot we weren't having a discussion that involves opinions, but we are actually on the Jerykk show where he dictates what matters to whom.

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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November
Sep 20, 2011, 23:13
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November Sep 20, 2011, 23:13
Sep 20, 2011, 23:13
 
So Rage, BF3, Uncharted 3, and whatever else I'm forgetting in October wouldn't be competition?

Those are all mostly-linear shooters with single-player campaigns that will likely last about 5-15 hours. Skyrim, Saints Row 3 and AssCreedRev are all open-world action games with at least 40 hours of gameplay for most players. Arkham City has much more in common with the games of November than the games of October, hence the competition.

I could care less about Skyrim as Oblivion sucked. SR3 can wait for bargain bin.

That's all well and good but this isn't a debate about which games you care about the most. It's about which games the majority of the gaming public care about most.
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November
Sep 20, 2011, 22:56
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November Sep 20, 2011, 22:56
Sep 20, 2011, 22:56
 
Serious Sam 3 and HOMM6 aren't exactly unit pushers like Call of Duty and Rage is totally unproven. Neither month is ideal but October makes a lot more sense than November but publishers are always scared of the piracy bogeyman. We'll just have to live with it, it's the treatment we're conditioned to nowadays as pc gamers.
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November
Sep 20, 2011, 22:50
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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November Sep 20, 2011, 22:50
Sep 20, 2011, 22:50
 
Creston wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 21:42:
I mean, it's not that hard to imagine that in a month when three of the biggest franchises of all time release new titles, everything else might get kinda swept under the rug.

To which that is subjective. As was when I stated what I thought of those other games mentioned. But I think you may be underestimating how anticipated Arkham City is. I've heard nothing but good things from hands on at the conventions for the last 6 months.

My point was, whether it's releasing surrounded by Skyrim, SR3 and AC:R in November, or Rage, BF3, Uncharted 3, Serious Sam 3, HOMM6, & FIFA in October....I don't think it's going to matter much, when the goal this time of year is more about getting things to market for holiday buying.

Will be interesting to see the numbers for October & November though.

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Sep 20, 2011, 21:42
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Sep 20, 2011, 21:42
 
Krovven wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 16:34:
I don't think you are following me Creston. They have competition whenever they release it. Doesn't matter what that competition is.

Weeeeeellll.... You don't really mean that seriously, do you? I mean, it's not that hard to imagine that in a month when three of the biggest franchises of all time release new titles, everything else might get kinda swept under the rug.


The PS3 & 360 versions are still out October. PC version is delayed a few weeks. With about 10 big games and dozens of others is an eight week period...it simply doesn't matter if it hit PC Oct 18 or Nov 18. And yes BF3 is out late Oct, forget exact date.

That's a decent point. Without any kind of data I can't say whether a game suffers from others released within an eight week timeframe or not.

However, I'm sure it'll still be used as some kind of retarded excuse by Warner.

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Re: PC Arkham City Delayed Until November
Sep 20, 2011, 21:41
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Sep 20, 2011, 21:41
 
space captain wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 20:34:
it IS a console game.. where the hell have you been

i seriously doubt it will be worse than the last game, which was really well done.. i was thinking how much better it would be as an open world type game, and they went and did that - so you know its gonna kick ass, because we are on the same wavelength, and its the same one that all the card carrying bad motherfuckers are tuned into

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_tbKQ0wS34

My point is that the latest consolized games ported over to PC have been pretty shitty, so I hope this doesn't turn out like them.
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Sep 20, 2011, 21:35
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Sep 20, 2011, 21:35
 
ForgedReality wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 20:22:
But seriously, this game just turned into a bargain bin for me. They want to capitalize on the holiday buying season, it just seems to me like they don't feel as if the game is all that great, and that it can't stand on its own.

You got all that from an announcement that the PC version was delayed a few weeks? Talk about reading something into nothing.

This is what I see...

*cry*whine*cry*whine*self-entitled-gamer*cry*whine*cry*whine*

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Sep 20, 2011, 20:34
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Sep 20, 2011, 20:34
 
it IS a console game.. where the hell have you been

i seriously doubt it will be worse than the last game, which was really well done.. i was thinking how much better it would be as an open world type game, and they went and did that - so you know its gonna kick ass, because we are on the same wavelength, and its the same one that all the card carrying bad motherfuckers are tuned into

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_tbKQ0wS34
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Sep 20, 2011, 20:30
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PropheT wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 20:14:
gilly775 wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 19:59:
I smell consolization here.....

The first one was a console port, and it was excellent on the PC.


It was an excellent game in general.

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Sep 20, 2011, 20:22
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Sep 20, 2011, 20:22
 
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38749905/consolitis.jpg

But seriously, this game just turned into a bargain bin for me. They want to capitalize on the holiday buying season, it just seems to me like they don't feel as if the game is all that great, and that it can't stand on its own. That's fine. I won't buy it then. At least not until it's like $10.
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Sep 20, 2011, 20:14
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Sep 20, 2011, 20:14
 
gilly775 wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 19:59:
I smell consolization here.....

The first one was a console port, and it was excellent on the PC.
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Sep 20, 2011, 19:59
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Sep 20, 2011, 19:59
 
I smell consolization here.....
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Sep 20, 2011, 19:44
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kanniballl wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 18:43:
At least at one point, the nVidia Linux drivers were a hell of a lot more open than ATI.

Also, don't both ATI *and* nVidia have their own proprietary anti-aliasing going on?

I've had bad experience with ATI twice in a row, and only 1 real bad problem with nVidia on a laptop. So far nVidia still has my brand loyalty. ATI, no such much.
Yeah, ATI had a very bad reputation for Linux drivers - my experiences were very poor. However, as Linux is very poorly supported for gaming and it makes up only a fraction of the OS share I don't believe it's really relevant to the discussion.

As for proprietary anti-aliasing, ATI/AMD did implement a new form of anti-aliasing called MLAA but that was a way to force AA on games that don't natively support it - it was criticised for making games, particularly the UI, blurry. It wasn't designed for typical usage. nVidia introduced CSAA, though it traded image quality for speed and never really took off. Both were provided as options, rather than replacing MSAA, so I view them as fair game. For instance, if nVidia can add 3D Vision or a new form of AA support to a game using drivers then great - I'm all for innovation. But they're tying developers to exclusive contracts to lock out ATI/AMD.

nVidia should be able to compete on the merits of their hardware / software. Afterall, their drivers have excellent game profiles that ATI still hasn't matched years after they were first introduced. But nVidia have also sabotaged the DirectX spec, like they did with DirectX 10 and their deliberate non supporting of 10.1 (they paid developers not to implement DX10.1 and actually got developers that had implemented it in TWIMTBP games to patch it out); they also refused to allow Microsoft to add tessellation into the DX spec, a feature ATI had long supported in hardware, until DX11 because they didn't support it.

If the performance to price ratio is close, matched or in ATi's favour I will always opt for them, just like I'll opt for AMD processors over Intel due to Intel's anti-competitive practices. But I don't throw away money for the sake of it.
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Sep 20, 2011, 18:43
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theyarecomingforyou wrote on Sep 20, 2011, 14:37:

nVidia didn't invent 3D or physics support, yet they deliberately make them proprietary and use their dominance in the market to undermine ATi/AMD. That's not good for consumers in the long-term and I oppose it. I didn't realise it was cool to support sleazy business practices.

At least at one point, the nVidia Linux drivers were a hell of a lot more open than ATI.

Also, don't both ATI *and* nVidia have their own proprietary anti-aliasing going on?

I've had bad experience with ATI twice in a row, and only 1 real bad problem with nVidia on a laptop. So far nVidia still has my brand loyalty. ATI, no such much.
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Sep 20, 2011, 16:34
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Sep 20, 2011, 16:34
 
I don't think you are following me Creston. They have competition whenever they release it. Doesn't matter what that competition is. The PS3 & 360 versions are still out October. PC version is delayed a few weeks. With about 10 big games and dozens of others is an eight week period...it simply doesn't matter if it hit PC Oct 18 or Nov 18. And yes BF3 is out late Oct, forget exact date.
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Sep 20, 2011, 16:11
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Dammit. Another hiccup for one of my most anticipated games in a long while. If the game rocks as hard as the first one when it ships, however, all will be forgiven.
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