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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 20, 2011, 23:07
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 20, 2011, 23:07
Sep 20, 2011, 23:07
 
There was a comment about Developers and Enterprise being able to use Metro apps.
BUT if it's anything like Apple's iPhone app store then you'd have to be a registered Developer or Enterprise in order to actually side load.
I think it's interesting they've jumped on the HTML5 bandwagon, but to also jump on the Apple model too is disheartening.
I'll probably stick to 7. We just upgraded at work to 7, and most everyone is pleased with it.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 20, 2011, 09:20
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 20, 2011, 09:20
Sep 20, 2011, 09:20
 
Beamer is incorrect, there is no method of loading unsigned metro apps, you have to use the Metro App Store or nothing. You can load unsigned desktop applications as per the norm but that's a different matter entirely.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 18:17
Jay
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 18:17
Sep 19, 2011, 18:17
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Beamer wrote on Sep 19, 2011, 17:46:
Metro apps in the app store: standard 30% charge.
Metro apps not in the app store: no charge.

I tried to find as many article as possible to see if this is the case, and it looks like it's not.
Meaning no metro apps if it's not in ms's appstore.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 18:02
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 18:02
Sep 19, 2011, 18:02
 
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This comment was edited on Apr 20, 2012, 13:11.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 17:46
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 17:46
Sep 19, 2011, 17:46
 
Metro apps in the app store: standard 30% charge.
Metro apps not in the app store: no charge.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 15:00
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 15:00
Sep 19, 2011, 15:00
 
I find Windows 7 pretty damned spiffy as far as operating systems go actually, that's part of what makes Windows 8 kind of frustrating.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 14:58
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 14:58
Sep 19, 2011, 14:58
 
Jay wrote on Sep 19, 2011, 13:58:
Whatever. The definition of "PC gamer" will change from windows gamer to linux gamer in 5~10 years time if this sticks.

That's fine. I doubt there'd be a Windows user around here if it wasn't for gaming. If MS wants to accelerate it's long, slow slide into oblivion, so much the better.
"The horse I bet on was so slow, the jockey kept a diary of the trip." - Henny Youngman
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 13:58
Jay
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 13:58
Sep 19, 2011, 13:58
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Whether it can reach wider audience or not is beside the point - of course we expected there to be some sort of appstore-like storefront for windows 8 that's highly regulated by microsoft (a replacement for gfw.com that does apps as well as games, if you will). Even revenue cut was expected if you want to buy apps straight from microsoft. Nobody expected that you can't make a metro app that you can't distribute youself. Why is it a disincentive? Because Metro interface is microsoft's long-term strategy of what the PC platform represents in the future. It's clear at this point that they want to turn it into a closed platform like iOS or xbox. For now they're going to allow open software and appstore software to co-exist (through windows 7 interface), but this sets a very dangerous precedent for developers and publishers everywhere.

Imagine metro were a success and Windows 9 only came with metro interface. What then? Will MS allow firefox to run on metro? Will VLC? will Steam? They now have to ask for Microsoft for permission to exist on their closed platform. And do you know how cumbersome and painstaking it is for self funded indie developers to get certification for their platforms? Whats the future of PC gaming then? Metro's success is the LAST thing we want.

/developer rant over


edit: oh - I think misread the article. It does say at the end that you don't have to publish metro apps through Windows 8 appstore. Nevermind

edit2: actually... the wordings in both article (the one linked and the source) are bit ambiguous to tell for sure. The source makes it seem as if apps using metro interface have no choice but to publish through windows 8 store.
Whatever. The definition of "PC gamer" will change from windows gamer to linux gamer in 5~10 years time if this sticks.

This comment was edited on Sep 19, 2011, 14:07.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 13:19
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 13:19
Sep 19, 2011, 13:19
 
Sure, Metro isn't great with a keyboard and mouse, thats why there is the button for the Desktop. Press it and you pretty much have Windows 7 again, just a little fast.

I don't like how Windows 8 controls app suspension, I don't care for the start button essentially becoming an app itself, I don't like duplicated controls, I don't like how obfuscated some of the base UI (basic functionality like power toggles for example) is becoming, I don't like the marginalization of things like file management and so on. There are a ton of things I dislike about Windows 8 but few things I can point to and say that's an improvement. It's not godawful or anything but its a frustrating interface for KB/M users, I can't seem to do everything in one interface, I'm always back and forth between Metro and classic Windows.

As this is a dev preview I hope it becomes a hell of a lot more refined. It being a tablet interface is besides the point, it doesn't really have to do anything to be a decent tablet interface other than load apps and have a UI worth a damn.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 13:02
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 13:02
Sep 19, 2011, 13:02
 
Jay wrote on Sep 19, 2011, 12:09:
What the hell. Developers are skeptical about Metro adoption as it is, and Microsoft is making even more disincentives to develop for it?
Nice.

How is this a disincentive?
It gives app developers an easier way to reach a wider audience. App developers want this.

And if you are an application developer rather than an app developer you keep on keeping on. Just do things as you always did.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 12:50
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 12:50
Sep 19, 2011, 12:50
 
This brings up more questions - maybe those who are using Windows 8 can advise, but how will the apps be loaded to YOUR machine? Is it a windows live funstion, so I will login with my hotmail account or my xbox account and that PROFILE will be able to download all apps I have purchased?

So can I go to a terminal elsewhere and load my "profile" from MS servers and redownload all my apps for that term? Or will my account be tied to my machine? Or to 3 machines (work pc, laptop, home), etc?
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 12:15
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 12:15
Sep 19, 2011, 12:15
 
Jay wrote on Sep 19, 2011, 12:09:
What the hell. Developers are skeptical about Metro adoption as it is, and Microsoft is making even more disincentives to develop for it?
Nice.

To my knowledge, 30% cut is the normal rate on both Steam and iOS App store. The difference here is unlike the iOS App store, you can still buy and install your apps from the store.

As for people here not seeming to like the Windows 8, I need to know why? I've been using it for 2 days and haven't seen anything wrong with it (except for the rare hiccup, Skype tends to crash/not let me hear). Sure, Metro isn't great with a keyboard and mouse, thats why there is the button for the Desktop. Press it and you pretty much have Windows 7 again, just a little fast.
*automatically refuses to place horse heads in anyone's bed*
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 12:09
Jay
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 12:09
Sep 19, 2011, 12:09
Jay
 
What the hell. Developers are skeptical about Metro adoption as it is, and Microsoft is making even more disincentives to develop for it?
Nice.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 11:59
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 11:59
Sep 19, 2011, 11:59
 
It's easily the most confused Microsoft interface I've ever seen, it's a hodgepodge of everything they've done for the past 15 years. Microsoft has no balls when it comes to ditching legacy.

It looks like they're changing legacy in only the wrong ones.

I haven't used Windows 8 yet. Not planning to, really. I love WP7, but that's on a phone. Windows 8 just looks like it's a poorly-laid out mess for m+kb. For touch it's great, and I've heard people say "man, now I want a touch monitor!" which is idiotic - it's too far of a reach.

The OS looks great for tablets, but like I've said I just don't like tablets right now. My latest annoyance is that the address bar and buttons are on the top of the browser in most tablet OSs. Why? My hands are probably near the bottom - why not put the buttons there, too? I think WP7 does this with Mango, so maybe Windows 8 will, but man, drives me nuts in WebOS.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 11:49
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 11:49
Sep 19, 2011, 11:49
 
looks like win7 is going to be another 10 year OS like XP
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 10:54
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 10:54
Sep 19, 2011, 10:54
 
I'm not a fan of app stores but I'll just point out that there are a ton of great free apps on pretty much every major market interface offered on mobile platforms. A friend of mine works for an iPhone app house and he's constantly bitching about how anything good they make will be replicated by someone else for free.

Windows 8 is a fucking mess by the way, I'm running it on a spare box at home and it's a god damn nightmare for KB/M. It's "alright" for tablets I would imagine but I don't see what it really has over iOS or Android other than parity. It's easily the most confused Microsoft interface I've ever seen, it's a hodgepodge of everything they've done for the past 15 years. Microsoft has no balls when it comes to ditching legacy.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 10:47
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 10:47
Sep 19, 2011, 10:47
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Sep 19, 2011, 09:47:
Microsoft wants 30% cut on Windows 8 Metro apps

So are we going to get microtransaction'd to death going forward? Please don't tell me that we will have to install all programs like a cell phone and pay money for every app we use on our computer.....I will seriously stop using a computer at that point.

Do you feel Steam is microtransactioning you to death? No.
Then I don't see why you think this is different.

All they're doing is offering a store for apps. Since Windows 8 is heavily designed around tablets, and every tablet has an app store, and people seem to love them, this makes sense. Not sure why you think suddenly everything will require a payment. If developers want to distribute something on their own for free they're still able to. That will never go away, and no one wants it to. What people want is it to be easier to sell things in one location, which the PC hasn't had prior to Steam.

Not happy about the tablet focus, though. I've had my TouchPad a week and can't find a damn thing to do with it. It does everything, but does everything poorly. Sure, it's partially the OS, but it's more the form factor.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Sep 19, 2011, 09:47
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Sep 19, 2011, 09:47
Sep 19, 2011, 09:47
 
Microsoft wants 30% cut on Windows 8 Metro apps

So are we going to get microtransaction'd to death going forward? Please don't tell me that we will have to install all programs like a cell phone and pay money for every app we use on our computer.....I will seriously stop using a computer at that point.
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