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Draugr wrote on Sep 10, 2011, 00:07:
Once again, I'm talking about the culture, not any particular genre or game. I'm not talking about what games women do or don't like, that's up to the individual to decide. My example, and this thread were on right here, are perfect examples of what I'm talking about.
-I'm not saying companies need to spend any money on not being offensive, its free. I don't care if they worry about making sure women want to play an action game, and Im not saying they should cater to everyone. That's not what I'm talking about at all. Well I'm kind of trying to figure out what it is you are talking about.
You keep bringing up this 'culture' talk like there is some kind of walled fortress of manliness which is trying to push women out of gaming. The actual truth, IMO, is far from that. In fact, it wasn't so long ago that women would actively scorn hanging around guys who were gaming 'nerds' or 'geeks'. And I'm wondering if you're seriously telling me that in all your time as a gamer(I'm assuming it's a significant amount of time anyway...) that you haven't seen women roll their eyes when the discussion turns toward hardcore FPS games or RTS games. Because anecdotal or not...I've seen it time and again from wives, girlfriends and other women who just don't want to be a part of something that revolves around aggression as a primary objective. Men just generally have a different mindset.
The gaming culture didn't come into existence with part of its agenda being to objectify or offend women.
"Some ideal game which would not only have to be inoffensive to women, but attract them as well. While maintaining all the things that men like about FPSes or action/RPGs etc" This is kind of funny, because you're implying that games must be offensive to women for men to enjoy it. Or that making a game that appeals to both sexes is impossible. I'm fairly sure you didn't mean it that way, and there are games that certainly prove the contrary. I'm not sure where you see that implication...but if you do see it, you're reaching really far. I said that the game would not ONLY have to be inoffensive to women...but offer something to attract them as well. I made that statement because I can list a bunch of good games that don't have offensive content to women that STILL don't get played by them, while being played by men. Something that you keep sidestepping on your crusade to paint a picture of some big, sweaty male-only social club that constantly steps on women and pushes them out.
And again, anecdotal evidence is not worth much. I mean, most of the women I know who play games are more into RPGs and DOTA, but that doesn't mean they are all like that. I'm glad we both agree that you have no more compelling evidence than I do. Which makes your crusade here all the more odd, because neither you nor I can find the droves of women who feel like they are being belittled and pushed out of gaming and are just waiting for the industry and community to change so they can take part. |
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Draugr |
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Sep 8, 15:10 |
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Draugr |
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Prez |
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Prez |
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Prez |
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Prez |
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Sep 8, 20:10 |
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Beamer |
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Sep 8, 20:30 |
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Sep 8, 15:28 |
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jsmith |
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Sep 8, 15:38 |
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SirKnight |
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Sep 8, 16:20 |
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PropheT |
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Sep 8, 16:33 |
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SirKnight |
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Sep 8, 15:21 |
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Pankin |
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Sep 8, 15:27 |
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Sep 8, 15:32 |
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McSterls |
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Draugr |
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Sep 8, 15:35 |
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Sep 8, 15:52 |
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Sep 8, 16:14 |
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Sep 8, 16:15 |
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Sep 8, 16:17 |
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Sep 8, 16:34 |
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Sep 8, 16:47 |
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Sep 8, 17:18 |
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Sep 8, 17:01 |
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SirKnight |
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Sep 8, 17:05 |
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Sep 8, 17:04 |
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Sep 8, 17:11 |
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Sep 8, 17:19 |
Re: Dead Island "Private Joke" Goes Public |
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Sep 8, 17:37 |
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^Drag0n^ |
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^Drag0n^ |
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Prez |
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Prez |
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Sep 8, 19:18 |
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SirKnight |
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SirKnight |
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Slashman |
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Slashman |
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