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Dead Island "Private Joke" Goes Public

One of the consequences of accidentally releasing a developer's build of the game is the possibility of revealing removed content or inside jokes, as illustrated by a report on Kotaku about a discovery within the build of Dead Island inadvertently released on Steam (thanks nin). Word is a hunt through the game's code reveals the Gender Wars skill that allows Purna to deal extra damage to male opponents was originally called "Feminist Whore." This is confirmed with Techland, who indicate that while there weren't necessarily dire consequences for releasing a debug build instead of the final build of the game, there may be for this incident, as they say: "The person responsible for this unfortunate situation will face professional consequences for violating the professional standards and beliefs Techland stands for." Deep Silver also disavows this, saying: "These unfortunate actions were of one individual at developer company Techland and do not in any way represent the views of publishing company Deep Silver." Here's more of the response from Blazej Krakowiak, Techland International Brand Manager:

The line in question was something a programmer considered a private joke. The skill naturally has a completely different in-game name and the script reference was also changed. What is left is a part of an obscure debug function. This is merely an explanation but by no means an excuse. In the end that code was made a part of the product and signed with our company name. We deeply regret that fact and we apologize to all our customers or anyone who might have been offended by that inappropriate expression.

133. Re: Dead Island Sep 9, 2011, 21:15 Draugr
Slashman wrote on Sep 9, 2011, 20:13:
Draugr wrote on Sep 9, 2011, 19:14:
Slashman wrote on Sep 9, 2011, 18:47:
Draugr wrote on Sep 9, 2011, 18:22:
Slashman wrote on Sep 9, 2011, 15:15:
I just wanted to point out something regarding a comment made earlier about women not playing games because they contain sexist material.

That is the LAST reason most women don't play the same types of games men do. For the most part...women don't get off on playing violent games.

They're mostly not interested in scoring headshots and gibbing things. They're not that into explosions and mass destruction. They just don't enjoy the same type of gaming.

I did know one girl who could clean my sorry butt up in Unreal and Quake...but even then...she mostly played because her boyfriend was a serious gamer.

Women will gladly play the Sims or WoW and other MMOs...but no matter how PC you make something like Half-Life 2, most women will just yawn when they see it(because the object is to shoot stuff).

Sure, let's just pretend gender roles in society doesn't influence any of that.

And while we're doing that...can we pretend that women and men are absolutely the same on every level and think in the same fundamental ways?

And as long as we're on a roll doing that...lets pretend that there are no examples, even in nature, where one sex of a species is naturally more aggressive than the other. You know...because sexism and gender stereotyping is prevalent in the animal kingdom and we need some reforms there as well. Friggin' hippos and buffaloes...

Now we're pretending that we are intellectually identical to buffaloes and visa versa?

Rolling with your example though, there are tons of examples in the animal kingdom of Males and Females not having the roles we(society) traditionally place on the sexes. For example look at seahorses, or look at how roles of penguins are shared. There is no evolutionary rule/recipe for gender roles. I only bring these examples up since you did. Stack that on top of animals just not having the same mental capacities we do and I don't find it to be relevant to the conversation.

That has everything to do with evolution though, and evolution and culture aren't the same thing.

Here is why your argument makes no sense:

You are suggesting that women don't like aggressive video games because they are full of sexism. I've shown women several games where sexism wasn't present but(and I know this is hard for you to accept), they just aren't interested.

They WILL play other games. Just not the type of games men tend to gravitate toward. You have it stuck in your head that this is due to pressure from society instead of the fact that there are differences in the things that they prefer versus the stuff that men like in games.

That's not to say that there aren't women who like the more violent genres that men usually stick to...but the reason for there not being more of them isn't because of societal pressure.

Hell I had a girlfriend who actually asked me for some suggestions on games...but then quickly followed it up with: 'But none of that violent shit you play...' I think she ended up getting the 'You don't know Jack' series.

She was as feminist as they come(maybe even to the extreme). That didn't make her like Unreal or Battlefield any more than the next girl.

I can pull out anecdotes to prove my point too, which all of your evidence is. That's why anecdotal evidence isn't acceptable.
I provided a Link to a page about how they refused to let women attend a BF3 event, earlier in this thread. So clearly, these people exist. Let's not pretend they aren't there just because you don't have enough friends like that for you to believe it.

I never meant to imply there is some sort of floodgate waiting to burst open once games start being more sensitive towards women, but to pretend that culture doesn't influence these things, I consider silly. Once again I point at the last 100 years as my example of how gender roles are influenced by culture/society. Would more women play them though? Probably.

Getting back to your opening post, though.
Is the implication it's okay to be as sexist as they want because you think there aren't enough women interested in the game? We should only worry about sexism in games that are marketed more towards both genders, or towards women?
I'm not saying that all people should be enjoying all games, my real argument is that gaming culture has some sexism rooted in it that should be addressed, as there are women that enjoy games as well. - I understand that not every game will appeal to every person. Man or Woman.
While I'd argue Gender roles in society certainly would influence this, I don't mean that (for example,) in a controlled environment devoid of all external influence, all men and women will start to enjoy BF3, which you seem to to took my argument as, Probably my fault for not being clear about the stance I am advocating.

Finally, I don't see where my arguments doesn't make sense. I can understand you not agreeing with them. But I'd say it is sound.

This comment was edited on Sep 9, 2011, 21:38.
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