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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 23:40 |
xXBatmanXx |
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So now they won't' sell it - they will just give it away.
I don't believe a thing they say.....keeping my distance from their service. |
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In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. / Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder.
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 23:27 |
Creston |
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No Origin user who has paid entitlements and/or downloaded games will have their account cancelled or games expired due to extended non-use.
But they could, because their EULA says so. So basically EA is saying "hey man, trust us!"
And they've shown so many times in the past that they are absolutely, 100% worthy of your trust. 
If I sold you a car, and asked you to sign a contract that said that at any one point, for reasons determined only by me, I could revoke your access to that car, would you buy it?
So why so accepting of EA's EULA? (and yes, I know Valve's EULA says somewhat the same thing, though there's no horseshit about "If you don't use it, we take it away!" in there.)
EA has proven time and time again they don't give one flying shit about their customers. So it's sort of surprising how easily people will just ignore all the crap they're trying to shove down your throat with Origin.
Yes, other DDs do it too. Those other DDs aren't run by EA.
To each their own, of course. Maybe there are people who have had nothing but 100% great, fantastic experiences with EA. I'm sure there's a few here and there.
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 23:26 |
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How is it possible to abuse reselling games you had purchased digitally? You have one valid key, you paid $X for it, you sell it for $Y.. the only difference is that you are essentially selling the right to play it rather than the bytes on a physical medium.. but this is done all the time with mp3 album sales and iTunes videos and ...
A person could really do this as-is anyway, if they used one account for each game they bought and sold the account via eBay or some friendlier medium.. I'm guessing it's against the TOS of the various Steam-like services, but how would they ever find out unless someone admitted it? |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 22:35 |
eRe4s3r |
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You know whats funny, i intended to add a link as edit but for the life of me, i can't find where exactly it was ,)
But heres the quote for you, which for some reason, google won't find
The Origin terms of service are designed to protect against misuse of the Origin system. No Origin user who has paid entitlements and/or downloaded games will have their account cancelled or games expired due to extended non-use. The term regarding account cancellation for non-use is designed to guard against creation of non-active accounts for inappropriate reasons.
Made the relevant part bold  And sorry, but i like feeling smug.. because a little bit of googling would have let you there at some point.. just not directly (blame the POS news sites that didn't update their news article RPS - i am looking at you) |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 22:35 |
ldonyo |
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| Don't be surprised when the original language, or a version thereof which grants EA the same ability to resell your information, returns in the future. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 22:14 |
007Bistromath |
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| The difference being that with a system for reselling such things, it would be easy to craft schemes where you make money from your dishonesty and make victims of the honest. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 22:04 |
zincthallinide |
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| Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can find whatever game they want on a torrent site and get it for free.. So obviously the only reason any game publishers (and software developers in general) make any money at all is because most people want to feel they are being honest. |
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It's still spyware... |
Aug 27, 2011, 22:03 |
Lesaonar |
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| They tweaked a bit here and there but it still remains that they are gathering information outside of the scope they should be. They might not be selling the info, which I really could care less about, but they still are gathering information on everything you do on the system(s) Origin is installed on. They should be limiting the scope to the games sold over Origin/EADM. Anything broader and it's spyware by definition. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 21:43 |
007Bistromath |
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eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 27, 2011, 19:22:
They already did that, and if you really cared, you'd know that
*hint* google Google only shows me a bunch of links to places reporting the original story. Maybe try being helpful instead of smug? News that important should be here, so at least send it to blue.
zincthallinide wrote on Aug 27, 2011, 20:26:
My only guess is that they feel it could somehow encourage account selling, which is the other thing about Steam (and other similar services), essentially zero resellability. The nature of a digital distribution service is such that the ability to resell sets the distributor up for terrible fraud and theft risks without very careful construction. That's before considering the fact that any seller that doesn't actively work against the second-hand market will have a number of publishers and devs walk on it.
Valve tries as best it can to implement pro-consumer policies. Gifting, and the new trading system, aren't enough, but they represent an effort nobody else has been willing to put forth. I fully expect Origin to take several steps backward with respect to these issues.
Thelemite wrote on Aug 27, 2011, 21:18:
If you guys hadn't swallowed Steam as willingly as you swallow Twinkies, a lot of the stuff you blubber about wouldn't exist. Blame yourselves for lacking both foresight and self-control. I "swallowed" Steam because it does what I want it to do very well when it's not soaked with a huge release, and doesn't impose restrictions or threats that I find onerous. The latter cannot be said of Origin, and unless it proves to be significantly less annoying to use than EADM was, it will not do the former, either.
This comment was edited on Aug 27, 2011, 22:03. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 21:20 |
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What I don't get about EULAs for online services is that it's acceptable for the EULA to be updated to include new clauses over its lifetime. (This originally came to my mind in relation to the PS3 online service but it's very relevant here.) Sony update their terms and conditions all the time with whatever they fancy after your initial agreement and your two choices after an update are to fully accept the new agreement or never go online again.
Surely something went wrong there? Each of these providers holds the sole means of access to your purchases and it means that services such as Origin can just add all the targeted marketing / data mining / random other unpleasant shit in a few months after people have parted with their cash... |
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| Playing: Path of Exile, Distant Worlds, Trials Gold. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 21:18 |
Thelemite |
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| If you guys hadn't swallowed Steam as willingly as you swallow Twinkies, a lot of the stuff you blubber about wouldn't exist. Blame yourselves for lacking both foresight and self-control. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 20:26 |
zincthallinide |
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Re: Steam, I once enjoyed the service but now I too realize it's .. just not that great. Ever since the Orange Box I fell into a habit of using them solely, but the joy of getting a game a few hours earlier isn't worth the endless annoyance..
For instance, try to change your account name with Steam - it can't be done, and they offer no explanation as to why. What if you no longer have that email account and the name is meaningless to you now? What if the email service goes away entirely? You can register a different 'contact email', but the original account name remains, apparently forever.
My only guess is that they feel it could somehow encourage account selling, which is the other thing about Steam (and other similar services), essentially zero resellability. For the most part this isn't an issue for me since I do enjoy replaying many of the games, but there are at least as many that I don't and wish I could sell back to whoever wants them.
Overall it's the idea of getting a game virtually immediately that made me use Steam all these years, but I've concluded now that it's just not worth it.. They have me too locked into their unique scheme. It was fun while it lasted. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 19:40 |
RollinThundr |
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Rattlehead wrote on Aug 27, 2011, 18:19:
It would be hypocritical if Steam had a history of abusing their customers the way EA has over the past seven years.
Abuse? What abuse? EA are doing the EXACT same thing with Battlefield 3 as Valve did with Half-Life 2. They are forcing their proprietary digital service using a big name sequel as fuel into the market. But unlike Steam, Origin actually works upon release.
Let me put this in perspective for you. On Tuesday night when Deus Ex came out the Steam servers were so flooded I was unable to boot up the game for several hours. Many people had this problem with threads popping up left and right on the Steam forums. This happens with nearly every big Steam release or DLC. It's been happening with Steam for several years and they still haven't fixed the problem.
Again, according to PC gamers it's okay if Valve do it, but not EA. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Like I keep saying, it's okay for Valve and Blizzard to be douchebags. Just no other publishers/developers. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 19:22 |
eRe4s3r |
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They already did that, and if you really cared, you'd know that
*hint* google |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 19:21 |
eRe4s3r |
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Ah well, Origin will be "tested" on beta begin. So they'll have all kinks ironed out on day0 of release. Hopefully...
But anyway zeh bullshit factor is strong with the EA haters this year, must be the solar activity or something.
People going manically over the Origin Tos should read Steam's... and then explain to me how that is somehow less evil... |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 19:01 |
007Bistromath |
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| When they remove the bullshit about losing "entitlements" after two years of whatever they decide to define as "inactivity," they stand a chance of being half as good as Steam. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 18:27 |
Jerykk |
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Abuse? What abuse? EA are doing the EXACT same thing with Battlefield 3 as Valve did with Half-Life 2. They are forcing their proprietary digital service using a big name sequel as fuel into the market. But unlike Steam, Origin actually works upon release.
We'll have to see how the Origin servers hold up when BF3 comes out. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 18:19 |
Rattlehead |
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It would be hypocritical if Steam had a history of abusing their customers the way EA has over the past seven years.
Abuse? What abuse? EA are doing the EXACT same thing with Battlefield 3 as Valve did with Half-Life 2. They are forcing their proprietary digital service using a big name sequel as fuel into the market. But unlike Steam, Origin actually works upon release.
Let me put this in perspective for you. On Tuesday night when Deus Ex came out the Steam servers were so flooded I was unable to boot up the game for several hours. Many people had this problem with threads popping up left and right on the Steam forums. This happens with nearly every big Steam release or DLC. It's been happening with Steam for several years and they still haven't fixed the problem.
Again, according to PC gamers it's okay if Valve do it, but not EA. Hypocrisy at it's finest. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 17:49 |
Dades |
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Rattlehead wrote on Aug 27, 2011, 16:37:
It's okay if Steam has this policy but not EA. PC gamers show their hypocrisy once again.
It would be hypocritical if Steam had a history of abusing their customers the way EA has over the past seven years. |
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Re: Origin EULA Amended |
Aug 27, 2011, 17:03 |
Quboid |
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| What are the chances that this is quietly re-amended back to being spyware in 6 months time? |
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