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Origin EULA Amended

As noted on GameSpot, the EULA for EA's Origin service has been amended in a clear attempt to allay fears of intrusiveness inspired by launguage it previously contained. The EULA no longer says you must avoid using the service if you don't want your information to be collected, and EA has also removed the portion saying they may "use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you." It also no longer states that "EA reserves the right to monitor communications on the Application and disclose any information EA deems necessary." And here is some new language that's been added:

EA would never sell your personally identifiable information to anyone, nor would it ever use spyware or install spyware on users' machines. We and agents acting on our behalf do not share information that personally identifies you without your consent, except in rare instances where disclosure is required by law or to enforce EA's legal rights.

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53. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 29, 2011, 09:36 Dev
 
Doesn't sound like they fixed the part that said they WILL (not MAY, but WILL) remove games from account if not used in 2 years.  
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52. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 29, 2011, 07:26 Dades
 
But i admit i was trolling this topic because i love poking at EA haters, they all will buy BF3 anyway (if they even remotely ever cared about Battlefield that is)

Stupid assumption, Battlefield games aren't must haves. The last one did what, one million on the PC? Not bad but not omg everyone is gonna go get it neway!

If people really need to provide you with detailed examples of EA being shitheels to PC customers then you're obviously just trolling. The DRM debacles over the past five years alone could probably fill a page of discussion.
 
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51. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 29, 2011, 00:38 Lesaonar
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 23:40:
Yeah those people haven't provided one example how EA violated their family or homes yet though I am just extremely pissed when people rant and rant without actually providing at least a proper anecdote.

Having your feelings insulted by imaginary moral values that are not met by a corporation (like thats a surprise ,p) is not a proper rant-reason. Nor is it an anecdote, or a logical non-flawed argument.

But i admit i was trolling this topic because i love poking at EA haters, they all will buy BF3 anyway (if they even remotely ever cared about Battlefield that is)

I don't hate EA, I own quite a few of their games, none of the FPS' since I really could care less about them. Now, since I made the mistake of buying those games through EADM (which is now Origin), and none of this data collection garbage was an issue at that time, I have to install Origin to even get access to them. Am I going to install Origin knowing that they're going to collect data on everything that I do on any of the systems it would be installed on? Um no. Would I care if the data collected was within the scope of the games they sell? Nope. But that's not the case.
 
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50. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 23:40 eRe4s3r
 
Yeah those people haven't provided one example how EA violated their family or homes yet though I am just extremely pissed when people rant and rant without actually providing at least a proper anecdote.

Having your feelings insulted by imaginary moral values that are not met by a corporation (like thats a surprise ,p) is not a proper rant-reason. Nor is it an anecdote, or a logical non-flawed argument.

But i admit i was trolling this topic because i love poking at EA haters, they all will buy BF3 anyway (if they even remotely ever cared about Battlefield that is)
 
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49. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 19:07 007Bistromath
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 09:13:
So you just hate on EA because its in
I'm pretty sure you're either trolling or shilling at this point. Nobody could accidentally miss the dozens of times people in this thread have made it clear that they're hating on EA because they have had consistently poor policy and leadership for years. It doesn't matter one bit that Valve's EULA is similar, nor is their lack of mastery over the world currency market at all relevant. Valve has proven through their deeds that they are a better company to buy from than EA. The only name in the industry I trust less than EA is Activision.
 
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48. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 19:05 Lesaonar
 
RogNog wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 13:31:
Would'nt argue with that, but they have moved in the right direction.

They're still collecting information on everything you do. That's not a different direction, that's spyware.
 
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47. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 18:46 xXBatmanXx
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 08:15:
Then google "steam account suspended" .. a company that holds my games hostage with my only recourse (am European) is a lawsuit is NOT better than EA. The fun-fact is that Steam has no right to suspend your account if it in inhibits access to the games in it without compensation. But steam explicitly (and illegally) excludes any compensation via their TOS. Worse they claim that you do not own the content in your account, even though the one who doesn't own it is Steam and not you.

*that* is somehow less evil than EA's hilarious data-mining thingy or the 2 year account pruning (which is standard for all online services, sadly not for steam which is a whole nother reason for issues (dead-mail provider/forgotten password and your account is unrecoverable) ?

99% of those are because of fraudulent accounts, stolen credit cards, etc etc etc.

So what did YOU do to get your account locked?
 
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46. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 15:07 Acleacius
 
Absolutely no reason to believe anything these people say, based on their past and current behaviors.

If ea's statement is true, why did they have that language in the eula in the first place? Is because they have/do/will sell out their customers at every possible opportunity.

Worst part, this seemingly ridiculous lie will be enough for many gamers and they buy their game on day/week one. If gamers wanted to have a real effect against publishers like ea and things like consolization of PC games or worst ports to PC. Then stop buying ea's games and console games during the first month or longer if possible.

If you can't wait for a specific game, don't beat yourself up about it, wait as long as you can. Just be proactive about it in some way. Hell, talk smack about the issues in forums. It has a HUGE affect/effect becasue it gets the conversation up front and on topic.
 
The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.That is easy.All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.It works the same way in any country.
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45. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 13:43 Dades
 
They haven't moved in any direction, EA has been consistently treating PC consumers like shit for years. EA is probably the worst possible choice to be a rival to Steam.  
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44. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 13:31 RogNog
 
Would'nt argue with that, but they have moved in the right direction. I am sure you remember the issue over MW2 not having dedi's and IW's reaction was almost "excuse me, whats it got to do with you" treating PC gamers as an annoyance. I suppose the big difference here is that this is specifically aimed at PC gamers as a rival to Steam. Lets be honest Steam needs a rival. Its domination is not good so it will be interesting to see the take up of Origin to see if it can compete. God knows EA will chuck enough money at it.  
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43. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 10:46 Beady
 
But it still pretty much gives them free reign to snoop at your software, hardware and usage. They just wont use it to market things to you, and when they sell it they will just make it harder to identify who you are.  
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42. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 09:25 RogNog
 
The Key thing here is that we were heard! They do listen to comments on the internet and obviously realised that they had gone a step to far with the wording of the EULA. Yes it was clumsy and a bit naughty, but I would say again, we have been heard. Activision, Blizzard and Ubisoft are companies that we should be raising issue over as they have not listened or even ordained to reason with any argument put to them over Dedi servers for MW2. no lan, and Internet connection requirements for D3 and of course the infamous UBI always assume your a criminal DRM.

I take some heart that they have listened and reacted in a positive way.
 
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41. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 09:13 eRe4s3r
 
So you just hate on EA because its in

Being European means i pay 50% more on steam because steam decides that you have to pay in even if you ain't in a country

So even their sales are a joke. Unless its the (very rare) 70% to 95% off sales
 
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40. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 08:39 007Bistromath
 
0day prices aren't remotely relevant to me. Especially not on Steam, since I know that anything on it will generally wind up with massive cuts if I let it sit for three-four months.

I know I'm not the only one who buys this way, either. Everytime something goes on sale, it usually winds up on the top seller list immediately.

What does being European have to do with anything? They still have a customer service department and it listens. The only two reasons I've ever heard of them suspending accounts is cheating and chargebacks, the latter of which is valid since they have no way to tell the difference between an unauthorized "refund" and outright fraud. They've had false positives for both, but such issues are quickly resolved if the customer puts any effort whatsoever into communicating with Valve. Their intention is clear and just: if you don't do business with them honestly, they will not do business with you at all.

The system does have its flaws. I don't necessarily agree that being a jerk once should cause you to lose the rest of your shit, either. But yes, it definitely is less evil than bundling spyware with your service or taking users' shit for no actual reason, which is what the "pruning" language allows them to do.
 
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39. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 08:17 007Bistromath
 
doublepost derp

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38. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 08:15 eRe4s3r
 
Then google "steam account suspended" .. a company that holds my games hostage with my only recourse (am European) is a lawsuit is NOT better than EA. The fun-fact is that Steam has no right to suspend your account if it in inhibits access to the games in it without compensation. But steam explicitly (and illegally) excludes any compensation via their TOS. Worse they claim that you do not own the content in your account, even though the one who doesn't own it is Steam and not you.

*that* is somehow less evil than EA's hilarious data-mining thingy or the 2 year account pruning (which is standard for all online services, sadly not for steam which is a whole nother reason for issues (dead-mail provider/forgotten password and your account is unrecoverable) ?
 
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37. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 08:05 eRe4s3r
 
The only real competition to steam is GMG , and that just started to exist. Daily Sales on Steam are a joke, whats relevant is day0 prices, and they are 20% too high.  
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36. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 01:54 xXBatmanXx
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 00:00:
If people accepted steam they have no logical argument not to accept Origin though

I never had any issues with EA games so yeah... maybe i just got lucky. I don't like Origin for that matter, but its where BF3 is on, and in some way i am glad theres a bit competition to Steam... Steam isn't exactly a better system, they are just as evil in their TOS, read the part about account suspension and compensation...

You are the sheep that EA loves.

There is plenty of competition to Steam - just look at the daily sales.
 
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35. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 00:45 007Bistromath
 
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 27, 2011, 22:35:
You know whats funny, i intended to add a link as edit but for the life of me, i can't find where exactly it was ,)

But heres the quote for you, which for some reason, google won't find

The Origin terms of service are designed to protect against misuse of the Origin system. No Origin user who has paid entitlements and/or downloaded games will have their account cancelled or games expired due to extended non-use. The term regarding account cancellation for non-use is designed to guard against creation of non-active accounts for inappropriate reasons.
I don't care what they say they're going to do. If the EULA says they can do that, I don't trust them not to. I wouldn't trust Valve with something like that, and they've always been much better to their customers than EA. They need to unfuck the language in their EULA or I'm not biting.
eRe4s3r wrote on Aug 28, 2011, 00:00:
If people accepted steam they have no logical argument not to accept Origin though
The logical argument is that Steam is better and EA is an awful company. If you'd stop playing stone deaf for two seconds, you'd see that we've been saying that the whole time. I don't even need to read Steam's EULA to know that. I've been using it for a long time now and Valve has sufficiently proven during that period that they have no foul intentions.

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34. Re: Origin EULA Amended Aug 28, 2011, 00:00 eRe4s3r
 
If people accepted steam they have no logical argument not to accept Origin though

I never had any issues with EA games so yeah... maybe i just got lucky. I don't like Origin for that matter, but its where BF3 is on, and in some way i am glad theres a bit competition to Steam... Steam isn't exactly a better system, they are just as evil in their TOS, read the part about account suspension and compensation...
 
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