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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 21:43 |
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Time to fire up the iSteve.
Steve Jobs = Walt Disney. The Apple brand will never be the same without him. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 21:40 |
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Jensen wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 21:36:
Kitkoan wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 21:33:
iPad was a copy of Android tablets from China made in 2009, ect... That's just silly.
By your standards, there is nothing that isn't a copy of something else.
The claim I keep hearing that the iPad must be new and innovative because it runs off an OS that was made for touchscreens and the iOS powered iPad was the first one to do it, then Android. But Android tablets were out for almost a full year before the iPad.
Nice attempt of trying to derail the question though. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 21:36 |
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Kitkoan wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 21:33:
iPad was a copy of Android tablets from China made in 2009, ect... That's just silly.
By your standards, there is nothing that isn't a copy of something else. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 21:33 |
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nin wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:20:
I'm not a fan of Steve, but I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone. The fact that he's stepped aside makes me wonder if he got bad news...
He probably got the bad news months ago, hence his most recent medical leave. Liver cancer (or most cancers for that matter) is not something you can live through for long. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 21:33 |
Kitkoan |
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wolve wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 21:31:
^Drag0n^ wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:03:
Godspeed, Steve. You're a better man than your critics give you credit for.
^D^ QFT. The man has done more for the computing/tech world than all the haters could ever do.
Oh? Name one good thing he did for the computer/tech world that wasn't a copy of someone else's work? Remember, OSX was a copy of BSD, NExt was a copy of the Mach Kernal, iPad was a copy of Android tablets from China made in 2009, ect... |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 21:31 |
wolve |
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^Drag0n^ wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:03:
Godspeed, Steve. You're a better man than your critics give you credit for.
^D^ QFT. The man has done more for the computing/tech world than all the haters could ever do. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 21:12 |
Dev |
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| I'm really curious to see how the stock goes this week. I'm expecting a significant drop. If someone has faith in apple as a company, thats when one would want to invest in it. Or if someone thinks Jobs was the only reason Apple was doing that well (he did after all bring them back from brink of failure) then right now is the peak of the company. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 21:11 |
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Do you think he's going to stay the CEO or just be there on an interim basis
Everything I'd seen said he was named CEO, which surprised me, as I'd expect him to be interim.
On the other hand, who replaces Steve Jobs? No one. No one can do it. Anyone as visionary as he is wants their own company, not Apple. And anyone as visionary as him would have trouble rising, anyway.
It may be wise to keep Tim as CEO and have him remain close to Steve. At the very least he knew how Steve thought. He could last 5 or 6 years still running Steve's plan. Beyond that?
Listen, I hate Steve Jobs. Hate his arrogance, hate his design philosophy, hate his walled ecosystems... his products are not designed for me and I have zero interest in them. But I can't deny that the man is a visionary and a leader. A remarkable one. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:51 |
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| I thought they replaced him with a double years ago. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:39 |
Parallax Abstraction |
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DangerDog wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:36:
Sucks to have all that money and to be dieing at such a young age, especially when they're so close to being able to replace defective body parts like you're switching out tires on a car.
It's funny that Apple worried about Microsoft taking them out and it looks like Google will end up finishing off both of them.
Apple recently became the largest company in the world by market cap, bigger than Exxon and much bigger than Google and Microsoft. Apple couldn't buy Google but Google is not a threat to their current business. Android is outselling the iPhone but if Google doesn't get some of its issues ironed out soon, it could easily falter and in tablets, there's simply no real competition to the iPad right now.
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:38 |
Parallax Abstraction |
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Beamer wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:35:
I've had the pleasure of meeting Tim Cook, and he's a fantastic guy.
But he isn't what Apple needs in a leader. Apple needs a visionary. It needs someone to come up with brilliant strategy.
Tim is a guy you have execute brilliant strategy. Remember Mark Hurd? Mark was great at execution, but terrible at strategy. As such he ran HP into the ground (after being a golden boy for executing the previous CEOs strategy.)
Tim is far less arrogant and far more aware of his limitations, but he's still limited in vision and strategy. He's one of the best #2s in the business, but I'm not convinced he's a #1. At least not for Apple.
Do you think he's going to stay the CEO or just be there on an interim basis until they find someone else? Jobs' resignation letter says appointing him is part of a "plan" but that's not specific Cook's permanence as CEO. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:36 |
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Sucks to have all that money and to be dieing at such a young age, especially when they're so close to being able to replace defective body parts like you're switching out tires on a car.
It's funny that Apple worried about Microsoft taking them out and it looks like Google will end up finishing off both of them.
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:35 |
Beamer |
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I've had the pleasure of meeting Tim Cook, and he's a fantastic guy.
But he isn't what Apple needs in a leader. Apple needs a visionary. It needs someone to come up with brilliant strategy.
Tim is a guy you have execute brilliant strategy. Remember Mark Hurd? Mark was great at execution, but terrible at strategy. As such he ran HP into the ground (after being a golden boy for executing the previous CEOs strategy.)
Tim is far less arrogant and far more aware of his limitations, but he's still limited in vision and strategy. He's one of the best #2s in the business, but I'm not convinced he's a #1. At least not for Apple. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:34 |
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nin wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:20:
I'm not a fan of Steve, but I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone. The fact that he's stepped aside makes me wonder if he got bad news...
Like him or not, you can't argue the mark he's left in technology.
See, not that's a statement that's flat out wrong. Not only do some people deserve to die, they deserve to die slowly and painfully. Jobs, may be a egomaniacal douchebag, but he's not one of them. I'd say in his case that his company deserves to fail instead. By the same token, I really don't have any sympathy for him either because he's not a person who deserves sympathy IMO. You can't o though your life being a prick and then at the end how everyone go 'Awww, too bad.'
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:32 |
Parallax Abstraction |
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The USPTO is the reason patent trolls (in the sense of the ones who produce nothing and only sue people) exist. They clearly don't know what they're doing and tons of articles from very smart people who don't have anything to gain from the current system agree. Many of the software, UI etc. patents they grant get granted because they don't understand them or their implications because the USPTO is largely staffed by people who don't understand modern technology.
As I said, the bigger culprit here is the broken system and I did not infer that anything Apple has been doing with patents is illegal. Anti-competitive, I believe so yes. The iPad is selling because millions think it's a well made device, not because of anything they patented. They're trying to stomp out the Samsung Galaxy Tab using patents but the Galaxy Tab didn't amount to a rounding error in sales compared to the iPad. You compete by making a better product, not by litigating your competitors until you bankrupt them or get their products banned. The patent system was not designed for that. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:27 |
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Parallax Abstraction wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:18:
But they have applied for and gotten incredibly wide ranging patents on very low level concepts that nobody should have had issued.
In your opinion. The USPTO apparently disagreed.
To clear this up for the layman, in order to be issued a patent, you have to show a design that has not been documented or disclosed to anyone (aside from your attorneys and the USPTO) for it even to be considered. If it is unique (i.e. no "prior art" on the idea exists), and if it is not already an idea in the public domain, they look at the patent to see if it indeed adds value and is not "intutive to someone skilled in the art."
People think the patents Apple gets are BS, but they aren't. Now, if you want to argue if the USPTO should be granting patents for business processes, UI, Software, mathematical equations, or economic models, that is completely different.
but within the confines of existing patent law what they are doing is legal, and required to defend their IP from knockoff shops, be they here in the US or in China.
^D^
Sidenote: The USPTO gets at least 1 guy a year trying to patent shoelaces. Never works. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:26 |
Kitkoan |
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nin wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:20:
Like him or not, you can't argue the mark he's left in technology.
The problem is, the mark he's left in technology isn't a good one, it was a major step backwards one imho.
Ranging from copying other peoples technology and marketing them as their own original ideas (OSX from BSD, NExT from the Mach Kernel, iPad from Android tablets in China from 2009, ect...) to turning computer technology into a locked down state like modern consoles (iOS and in some ways Mac computers), this isn't what I'd feel is a good mark in technology, but a really bad move into a feeling of '1984' except its Big Corperation that is controlling the strings instead of Big Brother. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:20 |
nin |
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I'm not a fan of Steve, but I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone. The fact that he's stepped aside makes me wonder if he got bad news...
Like him or not, you can't argue the mark he's left in technology.
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RollinThundr Apr 17, 2013, 12:25: Eh really tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. If you really want to call that trolling sure.
Mr. Tact Apr 17, 2013, 12:33: Pretty sure that's the definition of trolling... |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:18 |
Parallax Abstraction |
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DrEvil wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:14:
Apple does not patent troll. Patent trolling is always associated with someone that doesn't actually produce product or innovate.
You may think they haven't innovated, but they at least do actually produce product, therefore you can be angry at them for actually trying to use their patents, but calling them a troll is inaccurate at best.
Apple both produces products and innovates in the market space.
They do not even remotely fit the definition of troll.
They have every right to be angry with competitors that have copied design, form, and function of their products instead of trying to do something new.
They may not be a troll in the sense you describe I agree. But they have applied for and gotten incredibly wide ranging patents on very low level concepts that nobody should have had issued. I will say straight away that that is more of a sign of the incredibly broken and easy gamed US patent system but Apple's happily playing that game. Many of the patents they are suing over should never have been granted to anyone and if say, Samsung was abusing those to go after someone else, I would fault them just as much for it. Apple makes products with those patents yes, it doesn't mean they should be entitled to them all.
Anyway, I won't derail this any further. |
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Re: Steve Jobs Resigns |
Aug 24, 2011, 20:15 |
Parallax Abstraction |
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HoSpanky wrote on Aug 24, 2011, 20:12:
I'm glad to see people aren't dropping the usual "He deserves to die!" comments you'd expect on here.
Whether you like or loathe his company's products, he's still human, and watching your life drain away from you is a horrible thing.
+1. I do not at all approve of the ways he does business. From overpricing his products, patent trolling, severely curtailing what paying customers can do with their own products to creating a cult of personality that makes people thinks Apple products are infallible when in fact, they're some of the most fragile available. But I would never wish real world harm on a person for those things. I hope he manages to make a recovery or at the very least, spends the rest of his life in happiness. |
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