Creston wrote on Aug 14, 2011, 15:14:
Whoa, ZORK!

Welcome to the Really-Old-Fart Gamers Club, buddy.

Creston

StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 15:00:

Dev wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 07:06:

StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 07:00:
It's my second favorite game of all time.

Whats first?

Morrowind.

The original Fallout is third. I don't really rank below those three.

Squirmer wrote on Aug 12, 2011, 21:04:
That post is terrible.

When you look at IW, all the staples are there: the future, augs, weapons, a conspiracy, dialogs, stealth, side quests, etc. Yet it doesn’t feel quite right.

Those are what he considers the staples of Deus Ex? Pathetic.

And universal ammo did not 'alter the essence' of Deus Ex or whatever. That was just something that people latched onto as a simplistic explanation of why IW wasn't as good. If they had never mentioned universal ammo before release, it would have barely rated a mention.

This post just suggests to me that 'Frank' doesn't properly understand IW's problems. He says he only played it once? Come on, if you're making a Deus Ex game you need to have played both games many, many times and understand them better than anyone else. Playing IW once and blaming its problems on universal ammo is absolutely pathetic.

Dev wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 07:06:

StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 07:00:
It's my second favorite game of all time.

Whats first?

Dev wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 07:06:

StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 07:00:
It's my second favorite game of all time.

Whats first?

And it was pretty linear. The freedom was being alluded to, through interactivity of the engine, but the narrative itself didn't really seem to branch a whole lot.

StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 07:00:
It's my second favorite game of all time.

shihonage wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 03:04:
And it was pretty linear. The freedom was being alluded to, through interactivity of the engine, but the narrative itself didn't really seem to branch a whole lot.

Squirmer wrote on Aug 13, 2011, 02:30:
The thrust of the guy's post is that they took the game back in the DX1 direction instead of what Invisible War did, because even minor changes can change the essence of Deus Ex -- while at the same time totally ignoring the rather dramatic changes they've made to the 'DX formula', like frequent 3rd person, frequently taking control away from the player, having tons of cutscenes, having a less interactive and responsive environment and so forth. I would argue those are much more the 'essence of Deus Ex' than having multiple types of ammo. Jeez.

Again, I was responding to the bullshit in that answer.

They aren't remaking Deus Ex, they are making a new Deus Ex game. They stayed faithful to the original while putting their own ideas and more modern gameplay elements into it. If you can't deal with that then that's your problem really, the rest of us are going to enjoy it.

Have you played the beta? Because what I played made it very clear it was a DX game.

That post is terrible.

Squirmer wrote on Aug 12, 2011, 21:13:
And also

we reverted most decisions in IW in favor of what DX1 had done

This is bullshit. If they were reverting decisions that IW made, they would have skill points back in. But they don't. They only have augmentations as an upgrade path, which is exactly what IW did. (And if anyone says 'but but you get xp points in HR!' please lobotomize yourself now.)

Icewind wrote on Aug 12, 2011, 19:29:
I remember every one of you Blues regulars spooging over Invisible War.

we reverted most decisions in IW in favor of what DX1 had done

When you look at IW, all the staples are there: the future, augs, weapons, a conspiracy, dialogs, stealth, side quests, etc. Yet it doesn’t feel quite right.