Thelemite wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 16:42:
...The seeds were planted years ago with Steam....

Thelemite wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 16:42:
All of the bitching in the world isn't going to stop this. The seeds were planted years ago with Steam. Always-on is the logical end result of the shift to digital distribution. Some of us tried to warn you, but you were too busy making fun of us and calling us paranoid to listen.

Thelemite wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 16:42:
All of the bitching in the world isn't going to stop this. The seeds were planted years ago with Steam. Always-on is the logical end result of the shift to digital distribution. Some of us tried to warn you, but you were too busy making fun of us and calling us paranoid to listen.

Hellbinder wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:34:
This is yet another tiny step in converting the way people think about life. from the youngest to the oldest within a decade or so everyone will be plugged in or left out in the cold. The end game is a unified economic and control system over the majority of mankind. It is happening slowly right now and the transformation continues. The end result is that everyone will be part of the system and it will be considered normal, acceptible and totally logical and anyone on the outside who refuses to participate will be considered dangerous, a threat, a nutjob etc.

It still amazes me that there are people out there, and even many of you who see this happening and know its happening and yet laugh at Bible prophecy about the end game that is coming. "no one can buy or sell without a mark on their hand or forhead".

The danger is, there is coming a time when the brakes will be taken off, and the voices of warning will fade, and like something striaght out of star trek everyone will be absorbed like the borg and not even have the desire to resist but hate anyone who is not part of the collective. 10, 20, 30 years from now its not that far off now. You all know the technology is not that far off.

As Jesus said "he who has an ear let him hear."

Act now, believe now, receive now dont wait till its to late and the door is shut.

ASeven wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 15:08:

MattyC wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:36:

ASeven wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 13:25:
you're in the tiny majority in accepting this.

What?

Hooooly crap, what a comically idiotic mistake of mine. Tiny minority.

MattyC wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:36:

ASeven wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 13:25:
Be with mainstream games, the rest of us will be having fun playing rreal fun games. You know, indies.

And good strawman use by throwing pracy. Notch doesn't care about it, he's become rich nonetheless.

I honestly haven't seen much worth buying from indie developers lately, so not crossing my fingers there. I mean for 'single player Diablo' I could just play Nethack until the end of time. It is honestly a much deeper game anyway. That is probably why I don't mind this so much. Diablo has always been an online series for me. There just isn't much there if you are just going to play it yourself offline.

But either way for all the touting I see here, most pay indie games are generally a huge letdown for me. If I did have to give up studio games I would just as soon go play something free and open source, probably a lot more fun anyway. Obviously there are some gems out there, but they seem quite rare.

Most open source or freeware games, like Tactical Assault or Overdose, are still indie. Being indie doesn't mean you charge money for it. Hell, dwarf fortress devs are indie, the nethack devs are probably the oldest indie devs out there.

Not charging money does not make a dev not indie. Also, indiedb.com, use it to find new games, maybe your opinion on not finding enough good indies may change.

Hellbinder wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:34:
This is yet another tiny step in converting the way people think about life. from the youngest to the oldest within a decade or so everyone will be plugged in or left out in the cold. The end game is a unified economic and control system over the majority of mankind. It is happening slowly right now and the transformation continues. The end result is that everyone will be part of the system and it will be considered normal, acceptible and totally logical and anyone on the outside who refuses to participate will be considered dangerous, a threat, a nutjob etc.

It still amazes me that there are people out there, and even many of you who see this happening and know its happening and yet laugh at Bible prophecy about the end game that is coming. "no one can buy or sell without a mark on their hand or forhead".

The danger is, there is coming a time when the brakes will be taken off, and the voices of warning will fade, and like something striaght out of star trek everyone will be absorbed like the borg and not even have the desire to resist but hate anyone who is not part of the collective. 10, 20, 30 years from now its not that far off now. You all know the technology is not that far off.

As Jesus said "he who has an ear let him hear."

Act now, believe now, receive now dont wait till its to late and the door is shut.

Bhruic wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 13:45:

At the end of the day, people just want their crack:
[url=]http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/7251/z7251130X.jpg[/url]

Ah, yes, the old "19 people out of 833 didn't actually follow through on their boycott" pic.

Before there was the protest over CoD not having dedicated servers, did companies go out of their way to announce that they had them? Would "have dedicated servers" be used as a selling point for games if there wasn't an outcry? Just because it didn't change CoD (which was almost certainly feature-locked at that point) doesn't mean the protest had no impact, regardless of whether a few people caved and bought the game anyway.

I think that the always online thing is great. It allows developers to protect their games from pirates and it doesn't have the negative side effects of most DRM methods.

jsmith wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 15:02:

^Drag0n^ wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:51:

ItBurn wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:42:
...I don't know a single person who isn't online 100% of the time. Sure there will be some people negatively affected by this...

You're not likely to be online while gaming if:

You fly
You commute on public transit
You stay in hotels that charge for internet access
You spend time away from home
You don't (have the cash to) spend $100+/month on "capped" teathering plans
You use your PC outside
You live in small towns
You have an asshat ISP that charges you based on connection time (see COX, and most of the EU)...

Exactly, and to add a few more:

* Moved to a new location and are without internet for a few weeks.
* Living in a dorm where required ports are blocked.
* Long road trips.
* Visiting relatives who do not have internet or don't allow its usage.
* Live in various locations around the globe where internet access isn't a common household feature.

MattyC wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:36:

ASeven wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 13:25:
you're in the tiny majority in accepting this.

What?

MattyC wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:36:

ASeven wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 13:25:
Be with mainstream games, the rest of us will be having fun playing rreal fun games. You know, indies.

And good strawman use by throwing pracy. Notch doesn't care about it, he's become rich nonetheless.

I honestly haven't seen much worth buying from indie developers lately, so not crossing my fingers there. I mean for 'single player Diablo' I could just play Nethack until the end of time. It is honestly a much deeper game anyway. That is probably why I don't mind this so much. Diablo has always been an online series for me. There just isn't much there if you are just going to play it yourself offline.

But either way for all the touting I see here, most pay indie games are generally a huge letdown for me. If I did have to give up studio games I would just as soon go play something free and open source, probably a lot more fun anyway. Obviously there are some gems out there, but they seem quite rare.

^Drag0n^ wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:51:

ItBurn wrote on Aug 10, 2011, 14:42:
...I don't know a single person who isn't online 100% of the time. Sure there will be some people negatively affected by this...

You're not likely to be online while gaming if:

You fly
You commute on public transit
You stay in hotels that charge for internet access
You spend time away from home
You don't (have the cash to) spend $100+/month on "capped" teathering plans
You use your PC outside
You live in small towns
You have an asshat ISP that charges you based on connection time (see COX, and most of the EU)...