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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 21:45 |
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Dades wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 21:29:
I don't think you can directly compare Valve with traditional publishers.
Of course you don't. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 21:29 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 21:23:
Because Valve games NEVER go on sale right?
I don't think you can directly compare Valve with traditional publishers. Valve is a private company who sometimes makes questionable business decisions that have so far worked out well for them. Most publishers are publicly held corporations that can't really afford to take the long view on the market. I'm sure more than once Valve has done something that had executives at Ubisoft and EA thinking they were crazy. I think EA has a lot less incentive to put their games on sale if people are purchasing enough copies at Origin to satisfy shareholders. Just because both companies have the end goal of profits doesn't mean they will take the same road to get there.
We'll see how often The Old Republic goes on sale to test your theory. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 21:27 |
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| The $5 sale on Origin is through Tuesday, August 9th, and yes it appears to be only for North America. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 21:23 |
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Dades wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 21:20:
In two regions and not on my screen. What sales EA does do now are to drive people to purchase from them directly and the more that people do that the less incentive EA has to offer their products through competing services.
Because Valve games NEVER go on sale right? |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 21:20 |
Dades |
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noman wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 20:06:
So Steam somehow invented this idea of offering price breaks, and others are doing it just to compete. That's one of the most nonsensical things I have read recently.
Talk about misinterpretation, wow. Valve has said in the past that they started doing sales as an experiment to see what correlation pricing has on unit sales before and after. They didn't do it with the intent to compete with anyone but they are effectively competing anyways just by doing it. D2D and Impulse came after Steam had largely dominated the market, they do sales to compete with the market leader which happens to be Steam. No one invented the idea of sales or something, stop being pedantic.
And as we speak, EA is offering a dozen or so recent games for $5, right now (BF:BC2, Mirror's Edge, Sims 2, Sims 3, C&C4, C&C3 and others)
In two regions and not on my screen. What sales EA does do now are to drive people to purchase from them directly and the more that people do that the less incentive EA has to offer their products through competing services.
Personally I said "kind of." Portal 2 was pretty good but in the end it just seemed like more Portal to me, I was hoping for something grander. As for Left 4 Dead 2 I just enjoyed the atmosphere of the original more, plus the same complaint as Portal 2... felt like more L4D, not something new.
Of course, those are sequels. Both games still managed to add new and interesting mechanics nonetheless. They are very well liked and successful sequels but still sequels. I'd like to see a new IP from Valve as well but I'm confident that will arrive at some point, after both of those games were effectively new IP. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 21:18 |
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Personally I said "kind of." Portal 2 was pretty good but in the end it just seemed like more Portal to me, I was hoping for something grander. As for Left 4 Dead 2 I just enjoyed the atmosphere of the original more, plus the same complaint as Portal 2... felt like more L4D, not something new.
I still enjoyed both, but I am hoping for something really excellent and fresh from Valve again soon. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 21:03 |
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This is interesting...I haven't heard many people complain about Portal 2 being a low quality game. Since I haven't played it yet...I'm curious as to how this is the case.
I'm curious as well. In terms of production values and length, Portal 2 easily surpasses the original. In terms of puzzle-design, I thought it was about on par. Neither game was particularly difficult.
I also don't see how L4D2 was worse than L4D. It was basically L4D1.5. Not quite the leap that people were hoping for but it still refined and expanded upon the original. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:59 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 20:49:
briktal wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 20:45:
It was a notable drop in quality from previous releases. Just about everything they've done since Left 4 Dead has seemed to be about squeezing more and more money out of everyone for little in return.
While I actually kind of agree with you you have to realize we are in the minority.
This is interesting...I haven't heard many people complain about Portal 2 being a low quality game. Since I haven't played it yet...I'm curious as to how this is the case. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:57 |
StingingVelvet |
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Slashman wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 20:55:
I don't see these $5 deals you're talking about. The prices are the same as they have always been on Origin. So either you're mistaken, the sale ended or the sale is for US/Canada residents only...which makes it shitty compared to a Steam sale which is pretty much always across the board.
It just ended. Origin has sales a lot actually, you get an email about them if you choose to. Sales are not only born out of competition, they are a sales driver no matter what. Also EA games will still be on sale on Gamersgate and similar sites, just not Steam. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:55 |
Slashman |
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noman wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 20:06:
Dades wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 19:18:
Steam has sales because its good business, they make a lot of money doing them. Impulse and D2D do it to compete with Steam. Somehow I don't think publishers are going to take the same approach as those three based on what we're seeing right now.
So Steam somehow invented this idea of offering price breaks, and others are doing it just to compete. That's one of the most nonsensical things I have read recently.
And as we speak, EA is offering a dozen or so recent games for $5, right now (BF:BC2, Mirror's Edge, Sims 2, Sims 3, C&C4, C&C3 and others)
I don't see these $5 deals you're talking about. The prices are the same as they have always been on Origin. So either you're mistaken, the sale ended or the sale is for US/Canada residents only...which makes it shitty compared to a Steam sale which is pretty much always across the board. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:49 |
StingingVelvet |
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briktal wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 20:45:
It was a notable drop in quality from previous releases. Just about everything they've done since Left 4 Dead has seemed to be about squeezing more and more money out of everyone for little in return.
While I actually kind of agree with you you have to realize we are in the minority. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:45 |
briktal |
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Sepharo wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 13:37:
Alamar wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 13:30:
I wonder where all this Valve money goes... They used to do well selling the occasional fairly good game... Now they have more income, and less quality outcome...
Yeah that Portal 2 was a stinker. I expect the same level of god awful shit quality from their upcoming DOTA 2.
It was a notable drop in quality from previous releases. Just about everything they've done since Left 4 Dead has seemed to be about squeezing more and more money out of everyone for little in return. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:37 |
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Pumas wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 20:34:
I like Steam and rarely buy anything from anywhere else. This made an easy choice for me 
Same here, its now official for me, that I will not be supporting Origin. Way to screw everyone over EA! |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:34 |
Pumas |
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| I like Steam and rarely buy anything from anywhere else. This made an easy choice for me |
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| How will I know limits from lies if I never try? |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:28 |
StingingVelvet |
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Krovven wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 16:00:
What's best for me, the consumer, is to not have my games effected an the service the publishers sold them on, and to be able to buy subsequent DLC and expansions on Steam for those games I purchased on Steam.
And there's a fan of Gamersgate out there pissed that Valve do not release their games on Gamersgate. It is no different.
As someone else said there are no sides to back here. Valve wants money and is using their leverage, EA want money and are using their leverage. The fact Steam fans are caught in the middle cannot really be blamed on either of them more than the other, it's just a side effect. |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:12 |
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Dades wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 18:28:
Just what we all wanted, 15 different logins and clients for every developer and publisher combination out there. Next up the UPlay client from Ubisoft and the Activision offering Call of Download.
Actually, Activision went for the more appropriate name for their service:
Download of Duty
^D^ |
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| "Never start a fight, but always finish it." |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:08 |
^Drag0n^ |
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Battlefield 3 won't be on Steam? Well there's another $60 savings for me.
^D^ |
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| "Never start a fight, but always finish it." |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 20:06 |
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Dades wrote on Aug 6, 2011, 19:18:
Steam has sales because its good business, they make a lot of money doing them. Impulse and D2D do it to compete with Steam. Somehow I don't think publishers are going to take the same approach as those three based on what we're seeing right now.
So Steam somehow invented this idea of offering price breaks, and others are doing it just to compete. That's one of the most nonsensical things I have read recently.
And as we speak, EA is offering a dozen or so recent games for $5, right now (BF:BC2, Mirror's Edge, Sims 2, Sims 3, C&C4, C&C3 and others) |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 19:20 |
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I got caught up in the very first ban wave of HL2(They said I somehow tried to use a keygen to play it before release day,..which is utter BS).
You got caught with a keygen and you got a refund, so what's the problem?
Also, the fat jokes get really old. He makes more in one day then your entire family will in a life time. Don't be jealous |
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Re: No Battlefield 3 on Steam |
Aug 6, 2011, 19:18 |
Dades |
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You realize those dumb little islands is why Steam and D2D and Impulse have sales almost all the time?
Steam has sales because its good business, they make a lot of money doing them. Impulse and D2D do it to compete with Steam. Somehow I don't think publishers are going to take the same approach as those three based on what we're seeing right now. |
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