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On Risen 2 DRM

The World of Risen Forums have an update from Deep Silver on copy protection in Risen 2: Dark Waters, saying the upcoming pirate-themed action/RPG sequel will use Steamworks in all territories to secure their game (thanks Shacknews). He outlines the priorities that lead to this decision, saying they sought a system providing a combination of security, compatibility, comfort, support, and reliability. Here's the outline of how the game's DRM will work:

Steam offers an automated update system which allows all customers to play the latest version of Risen 2 since all patches will be delivered automatically to their PC. Steam has been running stable on millions of PCs out there, so it provides the reliability we need. The digital copy of Risen 2 will also not require two different copy protections on Steam (compared to Risen 1).

Risen 2 will be playable without a DVD in the drive if the product has been added to a Steam account (Steam accounts are free) and will be available for download on other PCs if you’re on the move and still want to play Risen 2. The Steam account itself has been further fortified by the optional Steam Guard system which adds another layer of security. Steam also offers a big array of community features: chats, game groups, achievements and the player can even upload up to 1000 screenshots to share his/her experience in the world of Risen 2. All those features convinced us that Steam offers the right package of features, reliability and security for us.

Naturally we also wanted to keep the restrictions, which are part of any copy protection, as unobtrusive as possible. You will only be required to be online once – to link your game to your Steam account and afterwards you will be able to play offline and without DVD in the drive. You will also be able to install Risen 2 from your Steam account on as many systems you like.

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57. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 28, 2011, 02:39 Dev
 
verrul wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 12:27:
Probably end up being like all other steam DRM. Only needed for activation once after that you can run it from the steamapps without loading steam. I really dont get why people get so up in arms over the most non-invasive DRM out there.
Pretty sure you never responded after I replied about the last time you said this. I tried this on my games and found almost none of the ones I tried would work that way.
 
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56. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 27, 2011, 10:17 Creston
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 20:12:
Creston wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 19:44:
I bought Risen a few weeks ago, and lo and behold, it tried to install fucking Tages.

As far as I know my Risen copy on disc has no DRM what-so-ever.

Yep, I got suckered by Deep Silver, who are a bunch of morons on a Ubisoft level. No DRM on the retail version, but add extra DRM on the Steam version. I'm sure it made sense to some cockwallet that works for them.

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55. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 27, 2011, 07:08 Dades
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 27, 2011, 01:44:
I don't give a shit what their FAQ says. Thanks anyway.

Maybe you should care about it instead of relying on a loophole that is bound to be closed. I can run most of my games without Steam by just making a link to the executables and using AppID spoofs but I don't rely on it because it's not bound to work forever.
 
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54. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 27, 2011, 02:55 StingingVelvet
 
Jerykk wrote on Jul 27, 2011, 02:21:
I don't give a shit what their FAQ says. Thanks anyway.

So you're saying that the GamersGate installer doesn't require an internet connection? If that's the case, that's pretty cool. I might buy stuff from GamersGate more often. However, I don't know why they would make inaccurate claims in their official FAQ.

Your download the games through an app. When the games are downloaded the app launches the installer. If you backup the download during this timeframe it has no DRM on it from Gamersgate what-so-ever. After installation GG will remove the files or encrypt the installer, but during installation they are DRM free.

I don't like explaining it in detail because the more publicized it is the more likely it will go away. GG themselves know about it though, and their customer support crew basically wink and nod at you if you ask them about it.
 
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53. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 27, 2011, 02:21 Jerykk
 
I don't give a shit what their FAQ says. Thanks anyway.

So you're saying that the GamersGate installer doesn't require an internet connection? If that's the case, that's pretty cool. I might buy stuff from GamersGate more often. However, I don't know why they would make inaccurate claims in their official FAQ.
 
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52. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 27, 2011, 01:47 Kxmode
 
Risen 2: The Rise of Risen

I could keep going all night...
 
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51. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 27, 2011, 01:44 StingingVelvet
 
Jerykk wrote on Jul 27, 2011, 00:30:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 27, 2011, 00:25:
Jerykk wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 23:11:
Agreed. With the GOG part, at least. Gamersgate still requires online activations. GOG has no DRM whatsoever. When GOG is not an option, a rudimentary CD-check is my second choice (and I mean rudimentary; no TAGES or SecuRom crap).

Gamersgate has no DRM of its own. It does download and install through an app, but you can backup the file during installation and it has no Gamersgate added DRM. They do of course carry games with DRM on them from the developer/publisher.

http://www.gamersgate.com/info/faq

Can I download the game on my office PC and install it on my home PC which does not have an internet connection?

No, you cannot. Internet connection is required to install games. If the target computer has slow download bandwidth, then the game can be downloaded on another computer and then transferred in any way to your original computer. There you can use them to install, but connection is needed to sign in and start the installation process.

NOTE: Internet connection is required for performing the installation process. Installation cannot be made manually. It is done automatically and it requires internet connection to be performed properly.

I don't give a shit what their FAQ says. Thanks anyway.
 
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50. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 27, 2011, 00:30 Jerykk
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 27, 2011, 00:25:
Jerykk wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 23:11:
Agreed. With the GOG part, at least. Gamersgate still requires online activations. GOG has no DRM whatsoever. When GOG is not an option, a rudimentary CD-check is my second choice (and I mean rudimentary; no TAGES or SecuRom crap).

Gamersgate has no DRM of its own. It does download and install through an app, but you can backup the file during installation and it has no Gamersgate added DRM. They do of course carry games with DRM on them from the developer/publisher.

http://www.gamersgate.com/info/faq

Can I download the game on my office PC and install it on my home PC which does not have an internet connection?

No, you cannot. Internet connection is required to install games. If the target computer has slow download bandwidth, then the game can be downloaded on another computer and then transferred in any way to your original computer. There you can use them to install, but connection is needed to sign in and start the installation process.

NOTE: Internet connection is required for performing the installation process. Installation cannot be made manually. It is done automatically and it requires internet connection to be performed properly.
 
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49. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 27, 2011, 00:25 StingingVelvet
 
Jerykk wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 23:11:
Agreed. With the GOG part, at least. Gamersgate still requires online activations. GOG has no DRM whatsoever. When GOG is not an option, a rudimentary CD-check is my second choice (and I mean rudimentary; no TAGES or SecuRom crap).

Gamersgate has no DRM of its own. It does download and install through an app, but you can backup the file during installation and it has no Gamersgate added DRM. They do of course carry games with DRM on them from the developer/publisher.
 
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48. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 23:11 Jerykk
 
I just prefer a simple list of installers like GOG or Gamersgate. That is my preference. When that is an option I will choose it. When it isn't I will say I wish it was.

Agreed. With the GOG part, at least. Gamersgate still requires online activations. GOG has no DRM whatsoever. When GOG is not an option, a rudimentary CD-check is my second choice (and I mean rudimentary; no TAGES or SecuRom crap). While Steam offers a lot of useul features like cloud saves, autopatching, and the ability to download my games onto any PC, the fact that I'll lose all my games if Valves goes bankrupt or my account gets deleted is never reassuring.

I don't know - I'm getting from user forums that the retail version of Risen has nothing but a disc check. It seems that they inexplicably used TAGES only for the digital versions. How goddamned stupid!

I think they added (or updated) TAGES with the latest patch. I know because a bunch of new TAGES files appeared in the game's folder after I patched.
 
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47. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 20:51 StingingVelvet
 
necrosis wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 20:49:
Is Steam really that damned bad? 5-10 seconds of your life that precious to you? Seriously I can not fathom your reasons for hating Steam. Your reasons for hating it are so shallow its laughable. Its like complaining it takes to long to open your front door because you need to get the keys out of your pocket.

Your issue seems to be that you jump to the conclusion I hate it based on some complaints and a preference for other methods. I have never said I hate Steam, not once. I use Steam extremely often and just today bought Deus Ex 3 on it.

I just prefer a simple list of installers like GOG or Gamersgate. That is my preference. When that is an option I will choose it. When it isn't I will say I wish it was. The PC gaming community seems to think anything said against Steam is venomous.
 
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46. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 20:49 necrosis
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 15:14:
Icewind wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 14:10:
Internet and PC neophytes like you crack me up, Velvet boy.

Long boot times? How slow is your PC? Are you running something from the stone age?

Steam *is* the least invasive out there. Plus unlike any other DRM, you can buy games for less than 5 bucks when they are 10x that in retail.

I love laughing at the anti-steam pussy sniffers like you. All the cock-sucking little pansy ass fuckers that think Steam is some boogy man out to rape their virgin assholes.

Fucking pussy.

Do you think this kind of personality is doing you any favors? Honestly? Does your wife realize this is who you really are when given anonymity and no restrictions on what you say?

As for the only actual technical issue you addressed, no it does not take THAT long for Steam to boot up, but it takes a hell of a lot fucking longer than just double clicking a simple exe without DRM on it does.
While I do not agree with his way of expressing his opinion I do agree with it.

Is Steam really that damned bad? 5-10 seconds of your life that precious to you? Seriously I can not fathom your reasons for hating Steam. Your reasons for hating it are so shallow its laughable. Its like complaining it takes to long to open your front door because you need to get the keys out of your pocket.
 
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45. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 20:48 Prez
 
I don't know - I'm getting from user forums that the retail version of Risen has nothing but a disc check. It seems that they inexplicably used TAGES only for the digital versions. How goddamned stupid!  
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44. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 20:18 MysterD
 
As far as I know my Risen copy on disc has no DRM what-so-ever.

AFAIK, Risen retail has Tages disc-check.

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43. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 20:12 StingingVelvet
 
Creston wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 19:44:
I bought Risen a few weeks ago, and lo and behold, it tried to install fucking Tages.

As far as I know my Risen copy on disc has no DRM what-so-ever.
 
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42. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 20:11 StingingVelvet
 
Darks wrote on Jul 26, 2011, 17:58:
News flash for you Velvet, there is nothing new or innovative anymore. it’s all been there and done that already. Everything is a rehash of something so get used to it or fucking quit playing games.

I said that in the very post you quoted, man. Don't tell me shit I already said. My point is that knights, dragons and castles still outweigh other RPG settings by like 100 to 1.
 
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41. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 19:44 Creston
 
Tages is a horrible piece of shit. It's BARELY above Starforce. It installs itself as drivers, gives itself access to the zero ring thereby leaving your system widely vulnerable to all kinds of fun exploits and rootkits, and trying to uninstall it is like having your fucking teeth pulled.

I bought Risen a few weeks ago, and lo and behold, it tried to install fucking Tages.

I fucking hate Deep Silver (they're also the assholes who put Starforce on the X series), and I hope they quickly go the way of fucking JoWood.

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40. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 19:43 MysterD
 
So, since Risen 2 has Steamworks...

Will Risen 1 Steam version have the unnecessary additional Tages DRM removed? :oP
 
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39. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 19:38 Zyr
 
I really don't get the guys upset about Steamworks in this case. This isn't a DRM-free/sensible implementation of DRM title suddenly switching to something much more restrictive for the sequel.

It was Tages. Poorly done Tages, at that.

The retail version was the disk check form but it was so poorly done that the dreaded "insert the original DVD" error was fairly common, forcing you to contact support to get an activation key that was only good for one activation. Retail's DRM wasn't that bad but it wasn't particularly good either, the problem is that they completely missed the boat with the digital versions in a time where that's what a lot (not all, don't yell at me Velvet) of PC gamers seem to prefer.

It's bad enough that it used Tages at all, but 3 activation limit, no revokes, and no regenerating activations? As someone that genuinely prefers digital distribution (be it Steam, D2D, GoG, or GamersGate...the only one I simply won't use anymore is Impulse), this immediately killed any interest I may have had for Risen no matter how cheap it gets.

I realize certain people in this thread prefer physical copies over digital distribution, but even for them this was hardly ideal. You'd have to really, truly hate Steam and Steamworks to prefer Risen 1's DRM over what Risen 2 will be using, quality of the games aside.
 
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38. Re: On Risen 2 DRM Jul 26, 2011, 19:17 Prez
 
Securom doesn't give me the added features that Steam does, so looking at Steam as just DRM is taking a very narrow view of things. Granted these may not be personally of any value to some people, but it doesn't change the fact that Steam is far more than DRM, and to present it as only that is disingenuous to say the least.

 
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