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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:29 |
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Good luck with that. I can barely wait for the lazy fanatics that demand that every game be available through the Blizzard store or GOG next. Or hell, why not even Origin.
Apparently your frothing hatred of Steam has affected your reading comprehension. I don't demand any game be released anywhere. If a game isn't available on Steam, I just don't play it. Jeez, your so hell-bent on putting down Steam (and apparently people who choose to use it) that you don't have time to actually read.
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:23:
Prez wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:22:
and even so Steam has a feature where you can choose to not let certain games auto-update.
That doesn't help at all when you update and realize it broke something.
Okay, but... seriously, when is the last time this happened? I own 600 games on Steam and can't remember a single time. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:24 |
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Prez wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:13:
vrok wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:10:
Prez wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:09:
Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:02:
My big thing is that I am not about to start using another godforsaken download service.
Why? Use Chrome or Firefox and have it remember your accounts. You can even sync your encrypted profile with Firefox now. Using one service makes no sense, that's exactly what EA wants too.
It's not about liking Valve over EA. It's just a simple matter of convenience. Of all the digital delivery services, Valve is for me the most feature-rich, most user-friendly, most automated, with the largest catalog and far and away the best sales. At this point I have zero interest in another service. So don't use another service. Buy the game in a store, or order it from somewhere. Problem solved. The solution has been posted like 5 times now.
It's not a solution for someone who is interested only in digital delivery, as I alluded to with the phrase Of all the digital delivery services,... Hate on Steam all you want; I think it's the best thing since sliced bread. Good luck with that. I can barely wait for the lazy fanatics that demand that every game be available through the Blizzard store or GOG next. Or hell, why not even Origin. With time, this will most likely only become more and more unrealistic to maintain as the old school publishers begin to take digital distribution more and more seriously. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:23 |
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Sepharo wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 15:37:
Giller wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 15:29:
The Cliffnotes version of all this is that EA WILL be able to get away with this for BF3. Unfortunately, its probably going to hurt them in the long run as their other franchises which are not "have to have; AAA" titles. So let the eschew Steam, and its user base for now. People will vote with their dollars in the long run.
It just sucks that they obviously put a lot of effort into going big on PC but now they're going to ignore its largest and best service.
If the game ends up a sales disappointment we all know they're not going be to blaming themselves or this idiotic decision, it'll be PC gamers.
Idk, Blizzard seems to be doing OK without Steam  |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:23 |
StingingVelvet |
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Prez wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:22:
and even so Steam has a feature where you can choose to not let certain games auto-update.
That doesn't help at all when you update and realize it broke something. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:22 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:20:
Prez wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:13:
Not true. My two favorite features of Steam are auto-patching and simple back-ups that allows for easy archiving and restoration of games in minutes. Neither works with non-Steam games in Steam, at least that I know of.
Ah, I suppose... I was thinking in-game features.
I actually hate auto-patching because there is rollback, you're stuck with a bad patch.
I can see why that would be an issue, but I have never had an issue with a bad patch in Steam that I can remember, and even so Steam has a feature where you can choose to not let certain games auto-update. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:20 |
StingingVelvet |
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Prez wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:13:
Not true. My two favorite features of Steam are auto-patching and simple back-ups that allows for easy archiving and restoration of games in minutes. Neither works with non-Steam games in Steam, at least that I know of.
Ah, I suppose... I was thinking in-game features.
I actually hate auto-patching because there is no rollback, you're stuck with a bad patch. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:13 |
Prez |
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vrok wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:10:
So don't use another service. Buy the game in a store, or order it from somewhere. Problem solved. The solution has been posted like 5 times now.
It's not a solution for someone who is interested only in digital delivery, as I alluded to with the phrase "Of all the digital delivery services,..." Hate on Steam all you want; I think it's the best thing since sliced bread.
You can buy games on Origin (or anywhere else) and launch them through Steam, getting all the benefits of Steam you would for any non-Steamworks title.
Not true. My two favorite features of Steam are auto-patching and simple back-ups that allows for easy archiving and restoration of games in minutes. Neither works with non-Steam games in Steam, at least that I know of. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:11 |
StingingVelvet |
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Prez wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:09:
It's not about liking Valve over EA. It's just a simple matter of convenience. Of all the digital delivery services, Valve is for me the most feature-rich, most user-friendly, most automated, with the largest catalog, best archiving feature by a frigin' mile, and far and away the best sales. At this point I have zero interest in another service. And it's not just a matter of remembering passwords; I don't want any other gaming services running in order fro me to play a game. Steam's enough.
You can buy games on Origin (or anywhere else) and launch them through Steam, getting all the benefits of Steam you would for any non-Steamworks title. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:10 |
vrok |
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Prez wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:09:
Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:02:
My big thing is that I am not about to start using another godforsaken download service.
Why? Use Chrome or Firefox and have it remember your accounts. You can even sync your encrypted profile with Firefox now. Using one service makes no sense, that's exactly what EA wants too.
It's not about liking Valve over EA. It's just a simple matter of convenience. Of all the digital delivery services, Valve is for me the most feature-rich, most user-friendly, most automated, with the largest catalog and far and away the best sales. At this point I have zero interest in another service. So don't use another service. Buy the game in a store, or order it from somewhere. Problem solved. The solution has been posted like 5 times now. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:10 |
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I decided to help the local merchant out (he's a good guy) and pre-ordered BF3 from him.
Steam is handy, I like it, especially a lot of the awesome sales. It does need more work as others have pointed out. I find myself at times wondering what would happen if they were to go under or if they will ever start charging a monthly fee for their "service".
Mods that try to alter the exe (such as the script extenders for Oblivion/Fallout)
I've had no problem with NVSE; haven't tried FO3 on steam yet, I originally bought the CE. I did eventually buy FO3 goty on steam for the DLC that came with it though; the price was too cheap to pass up.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:09 |
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Steam has its faults, though poor mod support and non-working offline mode are no longer applicable; people who keep listing these as faults are way behind the times.
Three days ago I tried to start Steam without an internet connection and three days ago Steam failed to initialize. Behind the times? |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:09 |
Prez |
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Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 20:02:
My big thing is that I am not about to start using another godforsaken download service.
Why? Use Chrome or Firefox and have it remember your accounts. You can even sync your encrypted profile with Firefox now. Using one service makes no sense, that's exactly what EA wants too.
It's not about liking Valve over EA. It's just a simple matter of convenience. Of all the digital delivery services, Valve is for me the most feature-rich, most user-friendly, most automated, with the largest catalog, best archiving feature by a friggin' mile, and far and away the best sales. At this point I have zero interest in another service. And it's not just a matter of remembering passwords; I don't want any other gaming services running in order fro me to play a game. Steam's enough. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:02 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 19:44:
Sepharo wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:42:
Well wherever you hold them, do you not hold them higher than EA?
Not really, no. They're all in it for the same thing and doing the same stuff.
EA has made far more consumer unfriendly decisions and done less to support the PC gaming industry so in a situation where I have to choose between them I am choosing the lesser evil. They would not stop with Steam anyway, I doubt anyone here is that naive as to believe that.
My big thing is that I am not about to start using another godforsaken download service.
Why? Use Chrome or Firefox and have it remember your accounts. You can even sync your encrypted profile with Firefox now. Using one service makes no sense, that's exactly what EA wants too. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 20:01 |
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Steam has its faults, though poor mod support and non-working offline mode are no longer applicable; people who keep listing these as faults are way behind the times. My big thing is that I am not about to start using another godforsaken download service. Steam is my service of choice, and if a game isn't available on there then I just won't play it. (The one exception is any game released from GOG.com).
Yeah, yeah, it's Battlefield 3. Big deal. It's not like there's a shortage of quasi-realistic modern-day war shooters out there...
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 19:49 |
StingingVelvet |
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Creston wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 18:24:
So, you buy a game on Origin, and next year you can't download it anymore? You gotta admit it's possible. Especially since the EA store already had exactly such a wonderful mechanism in place.
There's a big difference between shutting off multiplayer support and removing a game from someone's account. It's also worth noting that despite having that mechanism in place anything you ever bought from the EA store is still available and downloadable with your account today, no matter what they said.
Really a lot of doom and gloom about this is based on people viewing EA as an evil corporate entity based on things they have done in the past like closing Westwood and Bullfrog. In the end though Valve is exactly the same. Their terms of service say they can remove your Steam account for any reason tomorrow and there is nothing you can do about it. They're shoving microtransactions into everything. They pretty much invented online DRM and account ties when Half-Life 2 came out.
They all want our money. They all want control. There is no sacred angel for the consumer in this fight. At least we're all gaming on an open system where most of their control attempts are laughably unrealistic. Think of all the console gamers relying on Microsoft and Sony letting them have access to their stuff on a closed system. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 19:44 |
StingingVelvet |
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Sepharo wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:42:
Well wherever you hold them, do you not hold them higher than EA?
Not really, no. They're all in it for the same thing and doing the same stuff. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 19:43 |
StingingVelvet |
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Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 18:02:
It annoys you that some people are picking sides when you're doing the same thing? EA has done none of those things you mentioned and and worse? Does it matter what side we're on anyway? The consumer caught in the middle can only go with who has supported them in the past and I doubt the answer is EA for many people.
I'm not taking a side, or choosing one company as more trustworthy. I see an issue and I judge it fairly. As someone else posted BOTH these companies want your money, NEITHER is going to choose consumer happiness over their own interests.
EA want to tie their games to an EA account and have you go through them. Valve have been doing that for like 8 fucking years. They're both doing the same shit, the only difference is people are used to Steam and get cranky about things upsetting their routine. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 19:06 |
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Dev wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 19:02:
vrok wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 18:52:
Dev wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 18:44:
Not true. GfWL has similar protection available, and I think securom has an option like that too that prevents games from being played before an arbitrarily chosen unlock time. Feel free to extend my statement to include GfWL. I didn't include it because it wasn't the topic of discussion and well, it's obviously horrible so I don't buy games that use that either, and no securom game I've ever owned did the unlock bullshit. Well lets examine your quote:
vrok wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 18:43:
To me, as a consumer, it's arbitrary. With non-steamworks games I can play it as soon as I get home. You are saying "as a consumer" you can expect "play it as soon as I get home" if its a "non-steamworks game". I gave you 2 examples where that's not the case for "consumers". You didn't mention something like "for me personally, all the non-steamworks games I choose to buy, play as soon as I get home".
It was the topic of discussion because you brought up a blanket statement that only needed 1 example to disprove it, and I brought up 2 counter examples.
In fact, I'm guessing that many AAA titles nowadays have some form of protection that prevents them from being played prior to the official streetdate. I know I've seen them on games I've bought. You know, I actually don't care about arguing semantics with you. It serves no purpose. All that quote really needs added in that case is a "in my experience". If my statement was unclear, it's now explained. End of discussion.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 19:02 |
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vrok wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 18:52:
Dev wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 18:44:
Not true. GfWL has similar protection available, and I think securom has an option like that too that prevents games from being played before an arbitrarily chosen unlock time. Feel free to extend my statement to include GfWL. I didn't include it because it wasn't the topic of discussion and well, it's obviously horrible so I don't buy games that use that either, and no securom game I've ever owned did the unlock bullshit. Well lets examine your quote:
vrok wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 18:43:
To me, as a consumer, it's arbitrary. With non-steamworks games I can play it as soon as I get home. You are saying "as a consumer" you can expect "play it as soon as I get home" if its a "non-steamworks game". I gave you 2 examples where that's not the case for "consumers". You didn't mention something like "for me personally, all the non-steamworks games I choose to buy, play as soon as I get home".
It was the topic of discussion because you brought up a blanket statement that only needed 1 example to disprove it, and I brought up 2 counter examples.
In fact, I'm guessing that many AAA titles nowadays have some form of protection that prevents them from being played prior to the official streetdate. I know I've seen them on games I've bought, especially games that layer protection under steam.
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You can see this even when buying games after the pre-order date has passed. For instance if its a steam game, and you install it and it says "decrypting" its the pre-order proteciton. If its securom and says something about "release control" and does a 1 time run of something, then thats that protection.
In fact, wasn't there a controversy not long ago about a game having securom release protection? It was a game that was publicized not to have any DRM, but it had a run once securom process that made sure it was past the release date?
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 19:00 |
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i want the disks, I dont want to be waiting hrs for it to download, only thing i want download is patches...
To be honest though, Steam has the best friends option going and after Bad Company 2's disgraceful try. You would of thought steam would of been at the top of their list.. |
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