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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:16 |
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MajorD wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 13:10:
What happened to the good ol' days of installing the 3.5" diskette into the drive, running the 'deicing' .exe/installing the game, DL and installing the latest patch from a BBS, and running the game whenever and however the F&$K you wanted?
Damn, I am getting old. I may have to find another new hobby and start building train sets in my garage............
Yeah, I wouldn't really call those the GOOD old days. More like the 'really fucking annoying and shitty' old days.
I reinstalled Bioshock yesterday, sat there and watched the "auto-patcher" pretend to download the 1.1 patch, then not actually do it (despite sitting there for 30 minutes saying it was), forcing me to manually download the patch, and trying to figure out if I had the "international version" or the "english version" because it would be death to install the wrong patch and.... AARRRRGGGHHH.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:15 |
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| If it bugs you, then vote with your wallet. All the internet bitching in the world won't speak half as loudly as not getting your money will. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:14 |
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Topevoli wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 09:54:
Why is dominance such a bad thing? Its not like steam strong armed consumers into using it. They chose to use it. If thats what they chose to use, then publishers should meet the consumers needs a little. Well for starters generally what happens is a service starts out great, on that basis grows into a dominant position and then starts really screwing over customers.
Secondly, even if Steam continues to be a great service for consumers, they might be really dicking over developers. This in turn is bad for consumers but the reason why is not obvious.
Competition is a basic necessity for a market economy.
That said, Origin and Live are certainly not the competition required. I think ideally there should be ~3 Steam-type services all highly interlinked (mandated by the EU or whatever), but that seems rather optimistic so a Steam and a no-frills download service or two will do. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:11 |
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LightAssassin wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 13:06:
Back on topic, this is no different to Valve forcing Steam down every ones throats with HL2. They just happened to do it first.
Sure its different. EA isnt saying you can only get our game at Origin. They are excluding Steam, not everyone else. Will it be ok when they decide Direct2Drive is too much competition and exclude them too? How about GamersGate? |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:10 |
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What happened to the good ol' days of installing the 3.5" diskette into the drive, running the 'deicing' .exe/installing the game, DL and installing the latest patch from a BBS, and running the game whenever and however the F&$K you wanted?
Damn, I am getting old. I may have to find another new hobby and start building train sets in my garage............
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:09 |
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This is a terrible precedent for PC gamers.
I just dont trust some unholy marriage of Gamestop and EA. But besides that the idea of each publisher creating this walled garden where they will only sell exclusives on thier own distribution platforms really sucks for us. Don't expect that you are going to get a better experience when you can't even choose where you get your content from. And Digital is going to be the exclusive way to get PC content in 7-8 years (or less..i would argue we are already there). IF you dont believe that and are still stuck on having a DVD/CD, well Im sorry. Its just a reality and I understand that upsets some people.
Steam has succeeded because its just a good service in general. I have never had a problem with it and the conveniences have always handliy outweighed the problems.
Ill probably be buying this as a CD (shudders) from amazon, because i dont trust Gamestop and EA in digital distribution. I would bet money gamestop is the first to try "expiring" digital content or some other nefarious money making scheme as their business model is collapsing in the face of the rise in digital distribution. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:06 |
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Finding it difficult to get to the bottom of this but the picture I'm seeing is that basically Steam says if a game is sold on Steam than any DLC should be available on Steam.
This appears reasonable at face value and just on general principle. There'd also be specific scenarios to be avoiding like a publisher selling basically demos for $5 on Steam to hook you in then the real content & money from DLC where Steam gets nothing. To boot, for practical purposes presumably Steam network would be handling the data.
OTOH the devil might be in the detail and perhaps Steam is saying any game bought on Steam has to have any DLC bought via Steam. A markedly different scenario I think. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:06 |
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Rattlehead wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 12:34:
And now EA's origins.
Haha it's like when my Grandmother use to ask me if I wanted to play my Nintendo.... I owned a Playstation.
Back on topic, this is no different to Valve forcing Steam down every ones throats with HL2. They just happened to do it first.
I remember getting into the CS 1.6 beta and wanting to stab myself with the issues. Some of which are still around for Steam.
Valve is just a publisher now to me, if you don't agree go talk to some indies who now look at steam as a place they wish they could get their game but will never even be told why their game doesn't get on, yet another does with worse quality.
Submit game for release on steam or flip a coin. Better luck with the coin, at least you understand it. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:02 |
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CJ_Parker wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 12:18:
Illumin wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:49:
Let's see...
(-) Steamworks games that won't run without Steam (no game should force you to install a certain client that is technically not required to run the game)
(-) Steam DRM - often times on top of other DRM like SecuROM, doubling the annoyance
(-) Wonky offline mode
(-) Buggy and slow as fuck integrated browser
(-) Generally poor performance (it's gotten better over the years but still a far cry from a smooth, flawless user experience)
(-) Spyware features - Steam knows what you play, where you play, when you play, how often you play, with whom you play, what hardware you prefer playing on... you name it. In terms of gaming it knows everything about you
(-) Retarded region locking
(-) Censorship instead of age verification (big negative for Germans and Aussies and others with restrictive gov'ts)
(-) "Our servers are currently too busy to handle your request - Please try again in a few minutes" = Totally unacceptable message if I want to download and install a game I purchased and own. I must be able to play whenever I want to. I don't give a fuck whether they have to set up a server farm the size of Texas. Not being able to play a game is unacceptable.
(-) Mod compatibility not always ensured
(-) Delayed patches (sometimes massively)
If any other major player like EA or Microsoft had a negative list like that people would tar and feather them. But Valve gets aways with it "cuz HL was kewl"  .
Steam does have its good sides, no doubt, but wouldn't it be much better if like GOG they would just be a decent digital sales platform without a client requirement and all the other peripheral bullshit? Yes, it would.
Very good points. The Spyware features are especially BS in many respects.
But Valve gets away with it "cus HL was kewl". LOL! Now that is funny!
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 13:02 |
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PHJF wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:44:
Steam is and will always be the only service I use, but I still only use it for games $15 or less.
I was having problems with my internet the other day (turned out to be my less-than-year-old router) and wanted to play a game offline. But the geniuses at Valve, in their infinite wisdom, require that you enter offline mode while being online, so I was locked out of all my games. Why the fuck would I ever pay full price for service like that?
Not saying that this didn't happen to you, but that's not how it works for me. If my internet isn't working, Steam usually spends 3 minutes trying to update, times out, then spends 3 minutes trying to figure out if I have internet access. (And I guess it's not "interesting" enough for the code monkeys at Valve to switch this process around. Dipshits.)
Once it realizes you have no internet access, it pops up a box that says "Hey, you don't have internet access! Do you want me to try again, or go into offline mode?"
You click offline mode, and voila.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:44 |
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I will not be buying this game. I bought Battlefield 2142 thorugh the EA Store, and three months later I couldn't log into the game because the DRM said I did not own it. Contacting EA never did resolve the problem. Fifty dollars for a game, and they won't let me have access to it.
They do NOT deserve your money. There is a reason people use Steam. Valve doesn't rip you off. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:34 |
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Nice way of saying "Fuck you" to the customers.
publishers are likely to be receptive to a competitive alternative
And people like me are receptive to bittorrent, a great alternative where I can bypass shitty DRM and other bloatware.
That's what I really want, another fucking login to another fucking shitty download service. This kind of crap is why me and my friends have basically migrated over to consoles.
Let's see how many different logins/passwords I have.
Steam
D2D
GoG
Gamersgate
Xfire
Gamespy
EA Online
Windows Live
Rockstar Social Club
And now EA's origins.
And no, I'm not one of those tools who uses a single password for everything. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:29 |
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If BF3 goes to Steam does that mean we'll get hats or can transfer our TF2 hats to BF3? Fragging and gibbing people in games is simply the price to be paid for more headgear to doff at the ladies when they walk by, all weak in the knees from my glorious cranium covers.
People have killed for less so I do this with a clear conscience. What I'm getting at here is if there the reward of a hat between my tank cannon and your body, I'm putting a SABOT round through your chest. And probably hop out of the tank and teabag your corpse. It worked in BF2 so it should still be good to do in BF3. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:23 |
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PUBLISHERS might be receptive to an alternative. The 10 million customers that Steam has are likely NOT going to be. So, of course, in the game industry, that means you're going to tell those 10 million customers to go fuck themselves, as after all, they're the enemy.
Idiots.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:18 |
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Illumin wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:49:
Cheap deals for the customer, patches applied to games for the customer, a social service so you and your friends can play together... the ability to quickly and easily re install your games *and game codes are saved without having to write them down...all of this free. Not so much Stockholm syndrome as what some would call loyalty. Give me some examples please of where the customer is getting ass raped as you so intelligently put it?
Steam sucks because I have to download software that organizes my games into a neat list, shows me all updates and DLC that is available for it with out me having to scour the internet or wait in line on Fileplanet or something? Bunch of haters.
Let's see...
(-) Steamworks games that won't run without Steam (no game should force you to install a certain client that is technically not required to run the game)
(-) Steam DRM - often times on top of other DRM like SecuROM, doubling the annoyance
(-) Wonky offline mode
(-) Buggy and slow as fuck integrated browser
(-) Generally poor performance (it's gotten better over the years but still a far cry from a smooth, flawless user experience)
(-) Spyware features - Steam knows what you play, where you play, when you play, how often you play, with whom you play, what hardware you prefer playing on... you name it. In terms of gaming it knows everything about you
(-) Retarded region locking
(-) Censorship instead of age verification (big negative for Germans and Aussies and others with restrictive gov'ts)
(-) "Our servers are currently too busy to handle your request - Please try again in a few minutes" = Totally unacceptable message if I want to download and install a game I purchased and own. I must be able to play whenever I want to. I don't give a fuck whether they have to set up a server farm the size of Texas. Not being able to play a game is unacceptable.
(-) Mod compatibility not always ensured
(-) Delayed patches (sometimes massively)
If any other major player like EA or Microsoft had a negative list like that people would tar and feather them. But Valve gets aways with it "cuz HL was kewl" .
Steam does have its good sides, no doubt, but wouldn't it be much better if like GOG they would just be a decent digital sales platform without a client requirement and all the other peripheral bullshit? Yes, it would.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:17 |
Marvin T. Martian |
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| Good for them!! Smart move. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:16 |
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justice7 wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 09:36:
BF3 should be on Steam, not putting it on steam is simply EA being dicks about it, and not striking an appropriate deal with Valve.
It's the Steam TOS. If I recall correctly, EA sells and verifies DLC through their own system, and Valve won't abide that. That's why it's on other download services: they don't have such strict requirements.
I don't really care. Steam is a slight convenience, not being on Steam isn't a deal-breaker for me. A big "meh" is all I feel. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:12 |
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PHJF wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:44:
ng problems with my internet the other day (turned out to be my less-than-year-old router) and wanted to play a game offline. But the geniuses at Valve, in their infinite wisdom, require that you enter offline mode while being online, so I was locked out of all my games. Actually, that's not strictly true. Offline mode will work as long as your account details are saved to the computer, as I was in a similar situation about 6 months back. However, sometimes games won't have updated properly, which means they'll be inaccessible (I had this with F1 2010). I definitely agree that more work is needed and there shouldn't ever be a situation where legitimate owners are prevented from playing games they've bought.
Still, all the advantages that Steam offers easily outweighs the negatives. Don't forget that before Steam most people were having to search for crack sites for NO-CD patches or else constantly switching CDs/DVDs; searching for patches that would then have to be applied in particular orders; manually copying CD-keys and having to keep them stored somewhere safe, etc. Steam completely changed the industry and it was definitely for the better. I just hope that Valve can work to remove some of the remaining annoyances (things like every game wanting to install DirectX, etc on first run). |
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Core i7 2600-K (4.6GHz) | 12GB DDR3 | GTX680 SLI (1215/1605) | OCZ Vertex 3 120GB SSD | Windows 8 Pro
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 12:05 |
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If BF3 isn't on Steam then I won't be buying, no matter how awesome it looks. I use Steam because it is incredibly convenient to have all my games in one place, knowing that if I need to reinstall Windows I won't have to reinstall all my games (my Steam folder is on a separate drive). While I love Steam I'm obviously aware of how dangerous it is having one company dominate the market, which is why I oppose games that use Steam at retail and why I won't buy games on it that are overpriced.
However, the market should be left to itself - that means games should be available at all stores and it should be up to the consumer where they buy it. If another site has less DRM - like GOG - and can offer it cheaper then that should be enough to persuade people and if EA are really concerned then they could offer discounts to other stores. Consumers have chosen Steam because while EA was busy trying to fuck people over by charging them to redownload games they've already bought Valve was actually dragging the industry forward. EA has screwed people over left right and centre and now they're getting annoyed that they can't have things their own way. I hope this stunt backfires spectacularly.
PS - Annoyed because I was really looking forward to BF3. |
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Core i7 2600-K (4.6GHz) | 12GB DDR3 | GTX680 SLI (1215/1605) | OCZ Vertex 3 120GB SSD | Windows 8 Pro
Hazro HZ30Wie 30" | Saffire PRO 40 | Razer Mamba | Coolermaster RP1000W
SteamID: theyarecomingforyou |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 11:58 |
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I want to thank EA for saving me money, since I will now not be purchasing BF3 from them. |
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