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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:53 |
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Sepharo wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:42:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:23:
Sepharo wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:34:
in a situation like that I'm more apt to take Valve's side, so sue me.
I'm pretty sure that's the kind of thing that annoys people like me, to be honest. I don't hold Valve up in some high regard on these things.
Well wherever you hold them, do you not hold them higher than EA? Why the fuck would anyone do that? Valve is just as bad if not worse, especially when it comes to exclusives. Steamworks games force you to use Steam which (SURPRISE!) is a useless extra client that's barely anything more than DRM with an interface, a really bad one. They're even bribing other developers use this shit, just like Microsoft and Live that pisses me off to no end. EA doesn't force me to use Steam or any other extra clients so far and I can play the game directly after I've bought it in a store, not when Steam arbitrarily decides to unlock it. These are some of the reasons I own several EA games and not one single steamworks game. Well, you can't actually own a Steam game, but you know what I mean.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:52 |
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descender wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 15:08:
"Steam sometimes encrypts the .exe"
Did you burn a hole in your pants with all that BS flying out of them? He's right though. It's called Custom Executable Generation - each EXE is uniquely encrypted. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:45 |
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| Lotta rage on Origin/EA Store. That's fine, but this is a GameStop rep saying that they'll sell it, which means it will be through Impulse(which they just bought). Origin!=Impulse |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:42 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:23:
Sepharo wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:34:
in a situation like that I'm more apt to take Valve's side, so sue me.
I'm pretty sure that's the kind of thing that annoys people like me, to be honest. I don't hold Valve up in some high regard on these things.
Well wherever you hold them, do you not hold them higher than EA?
I think you would have a difficult time finding many people, other than Riley, who would rate EA higher than Valve on a scale of trustworthiness. Sure there are haters and zealots on both sides but the middleground I think would agree that EA is a bit more, dare I say, dastardly.
I know I'm a Steam/Valve fanboy but I don't think I'm irrationally so. Like Bhruic said, they're likely still hashing it out and that's why we don't have more specific information. Until we do I'll assume this is EA's fault. |
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:37 |
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RollinThundr wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:32:
For the amount that people bitch about DRM around here, you never hear a peep about Steam, like Valve is any different than any other publisher or DD platform out there. You don't frequent blues comments much do you? 
There's at least a couple very vocal steam critics that refuse to use steam at all and they frequently post criticisms about it.
I myself support steam in general, but it DOES have its issues that I'm not happy about.
Plus, valve doesn't spend nearly enough time on steam interface. Hey valve, how hard is it to implement a friends search feature? Yeah my list of 200+ is hard to find people sometimes. I have to do a manual check of around 6 sections of my list to find a friend. Maybe take 5 minutes and copy that code from the game search feature you did. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:33 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:26:
Overon wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:22:
I did as I said, and every game I tried on steam worked. I call bullshit on anyone who says otherwise.
I have had games tell me before they can't launch in offline mode. I know the original Portal was one, because I tried to play it on vacation in a hotel without internet.
I think they have improved offline mode over time though, and when I moved recently I had no trouble playing anything offline from Steam. My biggest issue with Steam remains the inability to roll back patches. Just because something didn't work for you in the past, does not mean it won't work for you now, especially if it's software, since software changes over time. Steam used to have few features and now it has more features. If you tried steam 5 years ago and thought sucked, it would be silly to say that it still sucks based on your impressions from 5 years ago. In that 5 year time span, a lot of things improved like offline mode. Software, like life on Earth, changes and adapts, it evolves. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:32 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:23:
Sepharo wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:34:
in a situation like that I'm more apt to take Valve's side, so sue me.
I'm pretty sure that's the kind of thing that annoys people like me, to be honest. I don't hold Valve up in some high regard on these things. I think they are just as much about their bottom line as any other company and they are pushing DRM, games as a service, company control over the product at all times and DLC as much as any other company.
This ^^. I get the idea that people like all their games in one place, hey awesome, but shit, how hard is it to just open the start menu and launch a game? Really?
Valve and Steam to me, isn't special, especially when I buy a boxed copy of a AAA PC game like New Vegas at a midnight release and not am I forced to use steam with it, I have to wait til steam unlocks it. A game I paid for.
For the amount that people bitch about DRM around here, you never hear a peep about Steam, like Valve is any different than any other publisher or DD platform out there. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:29 |
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Overon wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:22:
I did as I said, and every game I tried on steam worked. I have steam set for automatic login. I simply removed the network cable, turned on my computer, and then ran steam. Steam said it went to offline mode and I tried TF2, Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, and Hydrophobia Prophecy. I could start each game and actually load into gameplay. So I didn't bother trying other games I have.
Uh, did you try the game he tried? |
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:26 |
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Overon wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 17:22:
I did as I said, and every game I tried on steam worked. I call bullshit on anyone who says otherwise.
I have had games tell me before they can't launch in offline mode. I know the original Portal was one, because I tried to play it on vacation in a hotel without internet.
I think they have improved offline mode over time though, and when I moved recently I had no trouble playing anything offline from Steam. My biggest issue with Steam remains the inability to roll back patches. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:23 |
StingingVelvet |
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Sepharo wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:34:
in a situation like that I'm more apt to take Valve's side, so sue me.
I'm pretty sure that's the kind of thing that annoys people like me, to be honest. I don't hold Valve up in some high regard on these things. I think they are just as much about their bottom line as any other company and they are pushing DRM, games as a service, company control over the product at all times and DLC as much as any other company. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:22 |
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Overon wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:25:
Dev wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:15:
Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:46:
CJ_Parker wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:41:
But the geniuses at Valve, in their infinite wisdom, require that you enter offline mode while being online, so I was locked out of all my games. Why the fuck would I ever pay full price for service like that?
If you wait for the connection to the time out then it automatically enters offline mode. This is never explained of course because Steam's UI and documentation was drawn up by five year olds. BTW, this is easy enough to test. Unplug network cable and run steam. See if you can play your games offline that way. In most cases you should be able to play offline WITHOUT being online to set the mode. I want to test this. Currently my steam is set to online mode. I will disconnect my network cable, then turn on my PC, launch steam and try a few of my games and report my results here. I did as I said, and every game I tried on steam worked. I have steam set for automatic login. I simply removed the network cable, turned on my computer, and then ran steam. Steam said it went to offline mode and I tried TF2, Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light, and Hydrophobia Prophecy. I could start each game and actually load into gameplay. So I didn't bother trying other games I have.
I did as I said, and every game I tried on steam worked. I call bullshit on anyone who says otherwise.
This comment was edited on Jul 18, 2011, 17:34. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:15 |
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| what a bunch of protectionist garbage. hopefully it's false info, or there goes a sale from me. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 17:08 |
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verrul wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 13:22:
Did you know you can play most steam games without loading steam? Really try locating the game in the steamapps/commonappps folder and creating your own shortcut to it. 99% dont need steam loaded. So drm free yeah except for the activation check. [Note: This has NOTHING to do with offline mode being discussed in a number of previous posts. This is testing to see if games can work entirely WITHOUT steam as this poster claims]
Well, lets test this out, I'm curious to see if this works. I wouldn't mind starting some games without steam. I have a bunch of steam games installed from the summer sale event, around 100 out of the 400 or so I own. Lets see how many of them start steam when I directly click on the exe in the "Steam\steamapps\common" folder.
No worky list:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! starts, but actually has something programmed into the game that says it can't contact steam.
alien swarm amusingly it starts and has a custom UI menu that lists 2 choics, "no steam" which doesn't do anything and "quit"
aliens vs predator starts steam
altitude starts but says it can't contact steam
amnesia starts steam
and yet it moves starts but says it can't contact steam
anomaly warzone earth starts steam
atomzombiesmasher actually crashes, they aren't expecting it to be started without steam
audiosurf nope has error message
Worky list:
ai war fleet command works but has its own serial verification system, one of those annoying things layered on top of steam where I had to manually type in all the CD keys for the base game and each DLC and retype multiple times from typos, since it wouldn't let me PASTE them into the program! Gotta love games that annoy legit customers.
ares before starting pops up error message saying can't contact steam, then goes ahead and starts game anyway lol. Obviously the devs didn't test this game much, I doubt they intended this.
I decided to stop testing after doing all the games starting with 'A' since it was obviously pointless. Just the 'A's alone prove you wrong. Your 99% number means out of my 400 games, only 4 shouldn't work. Not even a majority of the ones I tested work.
End result: I'm not even going to count the working ones towards your position since one of them has a layered non steam annoying serial check, and the other one was a mistake in programming.
FAIL
This comment was edited on Jul 18, 2011, 17:33. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 16:48 |
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I don't see any reason to entertain the fanciful idea that they would simply be content to stop after removing their largest market competitor. If EA really wanted to sell their games to as many people as possible that audience would include Steam users. I see no reason that they wouldn't think to do the same thing to every other middle man as well. To them its just another company costing them %30 percent of their sales.
All we can do is hope that the market doesn't allow that to happen, unfortunately EA is a massive company with a lot of resources to bring to bear. Publishers seem really hung up on trying to get rid of the middle man in both retail and digital so this kind of move is a real cause for concern no matter who the players are. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 16:43 |
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Yeah damn you and your advocating for a service you and most other gamers like. Why would you complain that someone isn't offering a game on your preferred service?
As for white-knighting, neither EA nor Valve are being very forthcoming about this and in a situation like that I'm more apt to take Valve's side, so sue me.
There's nothing wrong with advocating. But surely if you've read this thread, you must realize that some people have crossed the line from advocacy into EA bashing. If that wasn't you, then if you took my comments as aimed at you, I apologize - you weren't the target.
Would I prefer BF3 to be on Steam? I already said I would. If EA were to come to me and ask me where I'd prefer to buy it, I'd say "Steam". But if they choose not to put it there, well, it's really not the end of the world. I can still buy it elsewhere, and I can still integrate it into Steam so I can access the overlay, etc, while playing (as a 3rd party game). So I honestly can't see this being the travesty that some people seem to be suggesting it is.
As for EA and Valve not being forthcoming, it's probably because they are still in negotiations, or, at least, they haven't concluded them. There's no point to stepping up and saying anything when you haven't actually decided what's going to happen.
edit: From that link you posted:
DLC can now be added to any game on Steam, regardless of whether it was originally purchased via Steam, at retail, or via other digital outlets.
I know that's not true with BF:BC2 at the least, as people who had the retail version couldn't access the Vietnam DLC via Steam. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 16:34 |
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Yeah damn you and your advocating for a service you and most other gamers like. Why would you complain that someone isn't offering a game on your preferred service?
As for white-knighting, neither EA nor Valve are being very forthcoming about this and in a situation like that I'm more apt to take Valve's side, so sue me.
edit: Hell when I try to find info on the subject I find a 2009 Valve press release extolling in-game DLC sales. So they've totally reversed their position? More likely EA just doesn't want to give Valve a cut.
http://store.steampowered.com/news/2355/
edit2: Actually the last sentence of the press release makes it seem like it may only be if the game uses Steamworks, it'd ambiguously worded with that "also" in there. |
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 16:30 |
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Overon wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:25:
Dev wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:15:
Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:46:
CJ_Parker wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:41:
But the geniuses at Valve, in their infinite wisdom, require that you enter offline mode while being online, so I was locked out of all my games. Why the fuck would I ever pay full price for service like that?
If you wait for the connection to the time out then it automatically enters offline mode. This is never explained of course because Steam's UI and documentation was drawn up by five year olds. BTW, this is easy enough to test. Unplug network cable and run steam. See if you can play your games offline that way. In most cases you should be able to play offline WITHOUT being online to set the mode. I want to test this. Currently my steam is set to online mode. I will disconnect my network cable, then turn on my PC, launch steam and try a few of my games and report my results here. Network cable is one of the things its ok to unplug and plug in while your computer is already on.
Just remember to be patient, it takes a bit for steam to timeout trying to find a connection and ask if you want to go offline.
One thing I'm unsure of is if you have to have steam set to automatically log you in in order to do this, so it will have saved your credentials.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 16:25 |
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Dev wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:15:
Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:46:
CJ_Parker wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:41:
But the geniuses at Valve, in their infinite wisdom, require that you enter offline mode while being online, so I was locked out of all my games. Why the fuck would I ever pay full price for service like that?
If you wait for the connection to the time out then it automatically enters offline mode. This is never explained of course because Steam's UI and documentation was drawn up by five year olds. BTW, this is easy enough to test. Unplug network cable and run steam. See if you can play your games offline that way. In most cases you should be able to play offline WITHOUT being online to set the mode. I want to test this. Currently my steam is set to online mode. I will disconnect my network cable, then turn on my PC, launch steam and try a few of my games and report my results here. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 16:22 |
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Bhruic wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 16:14:
Weird. I want BF3 to be on Steam. But I understand that that's for my convenience. Acting as if EA has done something wrong because they haven't made things convenient for you seems quite strange. It's not like you are being forced to use a specific other digital distribution system, you still have numerous choices.
Want to buy L4D2? Well, you're out of luck if you want to use something other than Steam. How about HL2? Same thing. In fact, while it's possible I'm missing one, I can't think of a single modern game from Valve that was released on other digital distribution systems. And EA are the bad ones?
Look, I like Steam. I was a reluctant convert, but it's got a lot of nice features, and as I said, it's convenient. But that doesn't change the fact that Valve (and others) have been shoving it down our throats for years. There are numerous examples of non-Valve games that also forced Steam, even if you bought the retail copy.
So please, stop white-knighting Valve on this one. So true, I'm glad that there is someone where who can think critically and use their reason.
All Valve games... where can I buy them without using Steam? Oh that's right I can't. Here comes EA and there is some SPECULATION that BF3 won't be available on Steam but will be available on all the other download services including their own Origin service. Grab the pitchforks!
The double standard and hypocrisy are ugly ugly things.
Disclaimer: Every game I own except for Witcher 2, I bought from Steam. I wish that BF3 was available on Steam. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 16:15 |
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Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:46:
CJ_Parker wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 11:41:
But the geniuses at Valve, in their infinite wisdom, require that you enter offline mode while being online, so I was locked out of all my games. Why the fuck would I ever pay full price for service like that?
If you wait for the connection to the time out then it automatically enters offline mode. This is never explained of course because Steam's UI and documentation was drawn up by five year olds. BTW, this is easy enough to test. Unplug network cable and run steam. See if you can play your games offline that way. In most cases you should be able to play offline WITHOUT being online to set the mode. |
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