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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 01:59 |
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I wanted to check and see if I could access my older games through origins. Man it is a PAIN to try and find out that info and install that thing compared to steam.
First, I went to the ea store page to see if I could login and check what I owned. I had to reset my password to get in, then I had to choose a "universal EA ID" that it warned was gonna be MINE FOREVAH! Then I do all that and find out "sorry you can't access your owned list of games unless you go run origin launcher SUCKAH!"
So I download origins and install it (why is it 30 meg download installing to 150 meg vs the steam download of 1.5 meg, its not like it looks 20 times better or anything). It won't run without a computer restart, despite the fact the restart box on the install is greyed out so I can't check it. I try and run it and nothing happens. So I end up restarting. Why in the world it would want a restart is beyond me.
Finally I can run the program. It then forces me through like 5 screens of "you want to hook up your facebook right? HOW ABOUT NOW ON THIS NEXT SCREEN RIGHT AFTER YOU SAID NO, HERES ANOTHER BUTTON TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU NEED TO HOOK UP YOUR FACEBOOK, and HOW ABOUT NOW, DON'T YOU WANT TO ADD FRIENDS FROM FACEBOOK!?"
Then finally it runs and I see that yes indeed, I can still access my 3 previously purchased EA store games from 2009.
Oh and I wanted to exit it as fast as I could after finding this out. Good ole EA doesn't think you'd ever want to right click on it in taskbar and choose exit rather than hunt for the exit option which is under the gear looking icon menu. So of course EA doesn't let you do this. Steam does, but not EA with origins. Oh and when I did choose exit, it popped up an additional dialog box saying WTF! ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO EXIT? YEAH WE KNOW YOU CHOSE TO EXIT, BUT ARE YOU REALLY REALLY REALLY SURE? I did kinda choose it yeah, I wouldn't have if I wasn't sure.
So far, origins has been thoroughly annoying.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 01:54 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 23:07:
Again, this idea that a PC game of Battlefield's stature needs Steam is so ridiculous. Starcraft 2, dude... Starcraft 2.
That's one argument, but is has very little to support it. All I need to is ask "How many more copies would have been sold had it been available on Steam?"
You cannot deny that there are casual gamers who would have bought it on steam had a shiny advertisement for it popped up in front of them with a button to buy on loading up steam, much less on a steam sale, yet would not have gone out of their way to find Blizzard's download service. On the other hand, I can't cite any reliable numbers to suggest it might be a significant amount.
Since there's no way to answer the oiriginal question, the argument is null. Certainly it doesn't NEED it to be successful, but the real question is, would it be MORE successful if it had it? |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 01:47 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 00:33:
A lot of the people saying they won't buy it now are talking out of their ass, of course. As for the rest EA will likely make them up by making 100% of the money for each Origin sale compared to 60% or whatever through Steam.
I fully intend to still buy it, but for the inconvenience they're causing me I intend to inconvenience them as much as I can in doing so. I mean to buy the game from whatever available dealer takes the biggest cut from EA for the sale.
It may be spiteful, but I sure as hell am not going to reward EA for inconveniencing me by giving them even more money through their own service. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 01:26 |
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Gadzooks wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 14:22:
It doesnt matter why someone wants to buy on steam.
It doesnt matter why someone doesnt want to buy on steam.
What matters is that a consumer can CHOOSE to buy on steam, or not buy on steam. (note, im making the point of saying "buy" and not "use". Ive bought many games outside of steam, that still required me to use steam.).
EA is taking away your freedom as a consumer to CHOOSE for yourself where you want to buy something.
I got tired of reading comments somewhere around 80. So I just quoted this one, as it best represents the issue.
When it comes down to it - I don't want anymore digital services. There are plenty already.... |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 01:04 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 00:33:
Jerykk wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 23:59:
Not releasing a game on Steam is a poor business decision. Steam has, by far, the greatest customer base of any digital distribution service. As made evident by this thread and countless others, there are a lot of customers who will only buy games from Steam. Therefore, why would you choose not to sell your game to these customers?
A lot of the people saying they won't buy it now are talking out of their ass, of course.
I think we'll have a more definitive explanation about what's going on here before release day.
Until then I'm going to be protesting/whining on the internet because despite what some say that actually does sometimes get things changed.
This comment was edited on Jul 19, 2011, 01:43. |
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 00:33 |
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Jerykk wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 23:59:
Not releasing a game on Steam is a poor business decision. Steam has, by far, the greatest customer base of any digital distribution service. As made evident by this thread and countless others, there are a lot of customers who will only buy games from Steam. Therefore, why would you choose not to sell your game to these customers?
A lot of the people saying they won't buy it now are talking out of their ass, of course. As for the rest EA will likely make them up by making 100% of the money for each Origin sale compared to 60% or whatever through Steam. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 00:17 |
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Truthfully, garbage trucks did make APB look fun.
But I don't want to feel like I'm in one when I'm on foot.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 00:14 |
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Beamer wrote on Jul 19, 2011, 00:02:
Jerykk makes good points. Steam has a much, much larger user base. Multiple times larger. And many are like me and hate installing things and won't play a game if it requires installing a different service. I'll admit it's bad, as it makes Steam too powerful, but I don't care enough to change an easy habit.
All this does is guarantee BF3 sells better on consoles by hampering PC sales.
Other than that I really can't figure out why this went to 188 posts. I skimmed incredibly briefly and no one seems to be making a very coherent argument other than Jerykk, who doesn't seem to care much one way or another and just accepts there will be lessened sals.
Whatever. DICE games always control like garbage trucks.
Hey, I drove a garbage truck in Just Cause 2 the other day and...well...it was pretty bad actually. 
...But I pulled down a Baby Panay statue with it!!!  |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 19, 2011, 00:02 |
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Jerykk makes good points. Steam has a much, much larger user base. Multiple times larger. And many are like me and hate installing things and won't play a game if it requires installing a different service. I'll admit it's bad, as it makes Steam too powerful, but I don't care enough to change an easy habit.
All this does is guarantee BF3 sells better on consoles by hampering PC sales.
Other than that I really can't figure out why this went to 188 posts. I skimmed incredibly briefly and no one seems to be making a very coherent argument other than Jerykk, who doesn't seem to care much one way or another and just accepts there will be lessened sals.
Whatever. DICE games always control like garbage trucks. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 23:59 |
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Not releasing a game on Steam is a poor business decision. Steam has, by far, the greatest customer base of any digital distribution service. As made evident by this thread and countless others, there are a lot of customers who will only buy games from Steam. Therefore, why would you choose not to sell your game to these customers?
Personally, I don't really care about the digital distribution availability of any game. As long as the game doesn't require me to connect to some service before I can play, I'm happy. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 23:07 |
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Dades wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 22:58:
That's why you only see the people who have a problem with Steam defending this. If it was about Impulse or Direct2Drive those people would be having an opposition fit. I just hope this decision doesn't hurt the Battlefield franchise, it sells well but not Call of Duty well, they can't afford to be ignoring a source of millions of customers.
Again, this idea that a PC game of Battlefield's stature needs Steam is so ridiculous. Starcraft 2, dude... Starcraft 2.
And even if it did need Steam like a lot of indies do, that would be even more evidence that Steam is too powerful. No one store should dictate what can be a success on the PC. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 22:58 |
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I don't understand why everyone keeps saying "EA is choosing not to put BF3 on steam". EA is offering it to everyone and Valve/Steam is refusing to sell it unless they also sell the dlc through steam.
Other games on Steam do this already, EA games even. No one knows what the story is but Gamestop executives knowing about it suggests EA making the decision more than Valve.
This is basically equivalent to, say, EA deciding not to sell their console games in a gamestop.
That's why you only see the people who have a problem with Steam defending this. If it was about Impulse or Direct2Drive those people would be having an opposition fit. I just hope this decision doesn't hurt the Battlefield franchise, it sells well but not Call of Duty well, they can't afford to be ignoring a source of millions of customers. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 22:54 |
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Dev wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 21:35:
StingingVelvet wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 21:20:
Dev wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 21:06:
EA used to sell stuff and say it was only available to download for a few months then you had to pay a fee to redownload. Did they grandfather all previous purchases to be free to redownload now?
Everything you ever bought on the EA store is on Origin now with no limitations. Also as far as I know they never actually removed your downloads on the old EADM, they just had that in their service contract in case they ever wanted to.
No no, they used to sell a $6 service for "download insurance" or some such. After around 6 months they would stop letting you download. It was added to your cart as a default fee when you bought anything from EA store. You had to opt out to remove it. I distinctly remember them trying to get me in that way for an extra $6.
A quick google confirms:
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/9519-ea-store-charges-extra-fee-for-game-insurance/
And it was even worse than I thought, they charged you the money for two years of "download insurance"
Yes I know they did that, but they never actually removed the games in my experience. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 22:47 |
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I don't understand why everyone keeps saying "EA is choosing not to put BF3 on steam". EA is offering it to everyone and Valve/Steam is refusing to sell it unless they also sell the dlc through steam. And it's probably more than dlc, I'm assuming they require them to sell everything through steam the same way Microsoft requires things to be sold through xbox live if it's for a 360 game.
What about this call of duty elite service? Will that be sold through steam? Will MW3 not be allowed on steam because people are paying for that service outside of steam?
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 22:30 |
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Wish I could buy this on steam. I don't tend to seek out ways to buy games these days. Not enough games are really great enough to devote too much time to the buying process. BF3 is no exception. Not saying I wont buy it, but generally, I only buy games from steam sales or when I open it up and see something that tempts me. Basically, if ea doesn't put the game in front of my eyeballs, I won't see it.
This is basically equivalent to, say, EA deciding not to sell their console games in a gamestop. Their choice, but gamestop is not going to be happy if it's a big title, and the people who tend to only pop into gamestop and see what interests them will not buy it - they will buy something else. E-books that aren't on kindle have lower visibility, songs that aren't on itunes will be hurt, etc. Usually it is a good idea if you have a product you want to sell, to put it in the biggest stores.
Will be interesting to see what effect this has on their pc sales.
Someone said steam is responsible for other drm, which is not even close the mark. Drm predates steam, and microsofts games for windows is more similar to what they already were doing on consoles than it is to steam. DRM is a zeitgeist that can't be stopped, and no one company is responsible. Not putting battlefield 3 on steam, yet putting it on another service run be EA, is not going to hurt drm. You are just trading one master of your content for another. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 22:23 |
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| Cool then I will not buy it. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 22:20 |
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descender wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 21:59:
None of those answers are there, and I have read the whole thing. YOU brought up this magical laziness tax.
So you have no point, like I thought. Excellent work. I already told you, but you dismiss everything instantly without reading or thinking because you're an irrational fanboy. In Europe, DD is more expensive than retail. It varies some with region and game, but a net up to 20€ difference is not uncommon. That added cost is where the magic happens. Extreme laziness/convenience is the only motivation for ever putting up with it.
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 21:59 |
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None of those answers are there, and I have read the whole thing. YOU brought up this magical laziness tax.
So you have no point, like I thought. Excellent work. |
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Re: More on BF3 and Steam |
Jul 18, 2011, 21:58 |
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descender wrote on Jul 18, 2011, 21:52:
Watching you complain about DRM and European prices is also quite hilarious. Do you have a point? Or are you just trolling a steam thread with "who cares just go buy it retail"... because that's pretty narrow minded and stupid. Retail offers merely a fraction of the service that a steam compatible game would.
Also, what is "a retarded convenience/laziness tax"? ... and what magical download service imposes those?
Keep on keepin' on silly man. The answers to all your questions can be found within this thread. It's actually a BF3 thread BTW. Maybe if you read it, you would know, but since you don't, you wouldn't. |
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