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9. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 24, 2011, 09:56 Beamer
 
And, as Verno accurately points out, PC game prices drop like rocks.
Rocks.
 
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8. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 24, 2011, 09:48 Verno
 
mag wrote on Jun 23, 2011, 16:14:
Never will be again, I'll buy. But until the early 2000s Electronics Boutique (amongst others) sold loads of used PC games.

It was for a few years before cdkeys and passed by without even a fart in terms of impact. It was never a large enough industry to sustain itself and no one really seemed to care when it was gone. PC consumers are different than console consumers.
 
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7. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 23, 2011, 16:14 mag
 
Verno wrote on Jun 23, 2011, 15:34:
This option is not available on the pc except through onlive.
There never really has been a PC resale market outside of Ebay and there probably never will be.

Never will be again, I'll buy. But until the early 2000s Electronics Boutique (amongst others) sold loads of used PC games.
 
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6. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 23, 2011, 15:34 Verno
 
This option is not available on the pc except through onlive.

Yes it is. PC game prices drop faster than the consoles. Hell the PC is home to more F2P games than you can probably count. You can wait a few months and have it dirt cheap. There never really has been a PC resale market outside of Ebay and there probably never will be. If you care about resale then you should stick to console gaming but hey, publishers look to be trying to kill it there anyway so enjoy it while it lasts. Nothing wrong with being cheap but stop trying to act like there is some big problem with PC gaming because it won't bend to your every whim.

The PC specific software will continue to drop in gross revenue until they make it safer for consumers to spend money.

Totally vague and meaningless. If you mean the PC industry in general, it hasn't dropped, it's actually increased the past three years running. If you mean a specific publisher then cite it.

*Generally speaking the pc versions of software will have the least polish and be missing basic features that people expect and if consumers are lucky a patch will address these after launch.

There are bad apples but not every game launches this way. The console side of things sees a lot of the same problems. The PS3 version of MW2 was barely functional for nearly 2 months and that's one of the most popular games on the platform. Nearly every console game released has at least one title update within a week of release. Publishers are now starting to put more and more functionality into unlock codes to hurt resale so that's not really a safer bet anyway. If you are prone to just absurdly buying every title at release for full price then you have bigger problems than potentially recouping the cost.
 
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5. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 23, 2011, 14:59 Tumbler
 
Buy Duke on Consoles, resell later if you don't like it.

Buy Duke on PC, you own it for life, Onlive is an exception.

On a console, even if the reviews are scathing and you know it's not something you want to own there is a way to buy the game and play it, or just rent it for a reasonable price. This option is not available on the pc except through onlive. Services like Steam should be able to allow players to rent games and have timed trials just like onlive offers. The PC specific software will continue to drop in gross revenue until they make it safer for consumers to spend money. The general direction of publishers with regard to pc games seems to suggest that they believe pc gamers should pay a higher price to play games on the pc, have more hoops to jump through, and have a lower quality product to boot*... I am EXTREMELY cautious before I spend money on the PC because of this.

*Generally speaking the pc versions of software will have the least polish and be missing basic features that people expect and if consumers are lucky a patch will address these after launch.
 
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4. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 23, 2011, 13:48 mag
 
Tumbler wrote on Jun 23, 2011, 13:35:
valve... why have you abandoned us? why!?

Money. Buying pc games is too risky. You buy something you don't like and you're fucked. You may get lucky and buy only games you love so all your money feels well spent but the way the platform in general behaves you will likely buy 3 POS products for every 1 good product. On PC's that will likely cost you $200 to get a good game. On consoles it's still probably the same ratio but the cost should be more like $70 or $80. Resale options protect the consumer. The PC platform got rid of these and consumers are fleeing to a safer place to spend money.

This just in: PC games drop rapidly in price. Playing demos and reading reviews reduces the number of duds you buy. Film at 11.

I think it's been 15 years since I spent more than $10 on a PC game that I didn't play because I thought it sucked.
 
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3. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 23, 2011, 13:40 Verno
 

Money. Buying pc games is too risky.

The first part is right, the second part is nonsense. Valve is spreading Steam everywhere from mobile platforms to the consoles because they want Steam to be a universal entity instead of something traditionally pinned down to a single platform.

I don't really see the problem with that either, it means more games on the PC instead of encouraging the console exclusive nonsense that heavily fragmented this game generation. They aren't doing this and excluding the PC, the PC is along for the ride.
 
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2. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 23, 2011, 13:35 Tumbler
 
valve... why have you abandoned us? why!?

Money. Buying pc games is too risky. You buy something you don't like and you're fucked. You may get lucky and buy only games you love so all your money feels well spent but the way the platform in general behaves you will likely buy 3 POS products for every 1 good product. On PC's that will likely cost you $200 to get a good game. On consoles it's still probably the same ratio but the cost should be more like $70 or $80. Resale options protect the consumer. The PC platform got rid of these and consumers are fleeing to a safer place to spend money.
 
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1. Re: Morning Consolidation Jun 23, 2011, 13:20 zirik
 
He went on to add that the company has been gradually shifting from PC to cater for consoles as well, with games developed for Xbox 360 and the integration of Steamworks onto PS3. With Wii U, Nintendo will likely become part of this.

valve... why have you abandoned us? why!?
 
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