JaguarUSF wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 20:26:

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:00:
I've never had a problem with punkbuster

PunkBuster kicks you if you have the Steam overlay running while playing Battlefield 2.

PunkBuster kicks me if I play Enemy Territory Quake Wars.

0/2.

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:00:
I've never had a problem with punkbuster

eRe4s3r wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 20:02:
It really depends on how long you are gaming no? I still find modern tech shooters interesting, mainly because BC2 isn't really a modern tech shooter, its at best using some modern hand-held weaponry.

BF2 was gulf war era, nothing even remotely modern with some few exceptions. (It came from Desert Combat which was even more grounded in gulf-war era)

BF3 looks like it will feature really modern state-of-the-art vehicles and jets.

I didn't play cod MW or MW2 or BLOPS.

But i agree it is pretty hilarious, given how much it seems that modern shooters are around, but BF3 is really more about the vehicles and battlefield than just pea-shooters like in cod...

And i don't really feel like playing realistic ww2 shooters - i played Red Orchestra 1 and that BF2 mod, what was it.. forgotten hope? - and that cured me of all my ww2 urges, for life.

ASeven wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 19:34:

eRe4s3r wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 19:28:
Indeed, the choice is BF3 - i am sick to death of WW2 shooters

Considering how overdone modern warfare shooters are compared to WW2 shooters, this comment is sweet irony.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 19:28:
Indeed, the choice is BF3 - i am sick to death of WW2 shooters

ASeven wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 18:02:

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:07:
True, but they need to be a bit concerned about releasing around the same time as those other two games otherwise they'll lose out in revenue at release and be forced to drop the price.

Unreal Engine 3 tech is pretty old and tired, the lack of destruction alone puts it in second place to BF3. I've never been a fan of vehicle physics in UE3, I don't know if they can pull off a convincing tank sim with it or not. Personally I'd rather they focus 100% on infantry combat, but some people do enjoy the tank battles I guess.

RO2 has micro and macro destruction, anything can be destroyed in the game. And Alan confirmed a Summer release, so it'll avoid BF3 and MW3. The exact release date should be known next week, I believe.

Another thing, this game will have PBBans streaming, which is a more effective service than both VAC and PB I think. A cheater banned on a server is immediately banned on all servers.

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:07:
True, but they need to be a bit concerned about releasing around the same time as those other two games otherwise they'll lose out in revenue at release and be forced to drop the price.

Unreal Engine 3 tech is pretty old and tired, the lack of destruction alone puts it in second place to BF3. I've never been a fan of vehicle physics in UE3, I don't know if they can pull off a convincing tank sim with it or not. Personally I'd rather they focus 100% on infantry combat, but some people do enjoy the tank battles I guess.

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:17:
As for it not doing anything though I do see people kicked from Bad Company 2 servers frequently for using hacks.

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:12:
not likely, just look at the numbers for RO today and compare them to other older games like BF2.

http://www.gametracker.com/search/ror/US/?sort=c_numplayers&order=DESC

RO has a very narrow audience, 100% PC developed with mod support or not it's never going to be an overwhelming success.

Dr. D. Schreber wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:12:

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:00:
I've never had a problem with punkbuster, sure you need to manually update your shit with PBSetup but it's not that difficult to keep things working.

Well, I have run PBSetup. Repeatedly, in fact. And I've spent hours searching through tech support threads on just about every forum even vaguely related to gaming to make Failbuster work right, and it never has.

I guess that one person who didn't have a problem getting Magicka co-op to work on release day magically caused all problems to be solved for everyone else. Maybe I can blink and cure Punkbuster of all bugs in a nanosecond.

ASeven wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:07:

born2expire wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 16:57:

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 16:40:
I hope they don't go up against BF3, they won't stand much of a chance if they do.

They could pick up some numbers from people not willing to upgrade their OS and Graphics card but I don't know if that would be big enough to put a dent in BF3 player numbers.

I think TWI is looking at the long term, BF3/MW3 will blow them out of the water, no question there. But when people get bored of BF3/WM3 after a few months RO:HOS still still be going strong with tons of free content and mods (things the other games will lack).
ROHOS is looking at the long term (ie. Counterstrike) other then the short term immediate sales like the big guys. I for one would not be surprised to see ROHOS still going strong in 5+ years.

You've hit it right on the head. ROHOS is not aiming at winning on short-term against the monsters but long-term. Within 3 years or even 2 I wouldn't be surprised to see more people playing ROHOS than BF3 or MW3 since the support for gamers is there on ROHOS and lacking on the other two.

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 17:00:
I've never had a problem with punkbuster, sure you need to manually update your shit with PBSetup but it's not that difficult to keep things working.

born2expire wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 16:57:

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 16:40:
I hope they don't go up against BF3, they won't stand much of a chance if they do.

They could pick up some numbers from people not willing to upgrade their OS and Graphics card but I don't know if that would be big enough to put a dent in BF3 player numbers.

I think TWI is looking at the long term, BF3/MW3 will blow them out of the water, no question there. But when people get bored of BF3/WM3 after a few months RO:HOS still still be going strong with tons of free content and mods (things the other games will lack).
ROHOS is looking at the long term (ie. Counterstrike) other then the short term immediate sales like the big guys. I for one would not be surprised to see ROHOS still going strong in 5+ years.

born2expire wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 16:57:

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 16:40:
I hope they don't go up against BF3, they won't stand much of a chance if they do.

They could pick up some numbers from people not willing to upgrade their OS and Graphics card but I don't know if that would be big enough to put a dent in BF3 player numbers.

I think TWI is looking at the long term, BF3/MW3 will blow them out of the water, no question there. But when people get bored of BF3/WM3 after a few months RO:HOS still still be going strong with tons of free content and mods (things the other games will lack).
ROHOS is looking at the long term (ie. Counterstrike) other then the short term immediate sales like the big guys. I for one would not be surprised to see ROHOS still going strong in 5+ years.

007Bistromath wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 16:46:
Sweet! I can finally choose between something that mostly works and is always polite, or something that barely works at all and frequently breaks my games! This is a bold move and I fully support it. Maybe by giving players the chance to compare them side by side, they will finally realize how completely goddamn stupid and useless Failbuster is.

DangerDog wrote on Jun 19, 2011, 16:40:
I hope they don't go up against BF3, they won't stand much of a chance if they do.

They could pick up some numbers from people not willing to upgrade their OS and Graphics card but I don't know if that would be big enough to put a dent in BF3 player numbers.