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Jun 22, 2011, 23:36 |
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Damn you guys are making me all weepy, you had me at "lan"! 
The problem is back then most of the staff gave a shit n stuff, but not today. There no longer hungry, id would probably just funk it up again. All they would do is add more mapping than anyone else to cause a shitstorm ego boost for the guy with the little lamborghini. |
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| Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history.....and they are stupid. Dwight D. Eisenhower |
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Jun 18, 2011, 19:29 |
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space captain wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 16:39:
Prez wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 14:18:
I certainly count myself among the "Fogeys". The thing that stuck out for me the most the first time I saw Quake was the graphics. My jaw hit the floor when I saw it being played.
yeh me too.. if you can wrap your head around it, i used to play the shit with keyboard only for quite a while.. which was the same way i played doom and wolfenstein.. when the qtest was going around, someone came by to play on our LAN and said "dude.... use a mouse" and i was blown away with how much it changed the game, hehe
I can't remember why I tried it, maybe just experimenting, but being one of the first to use a mouse on our local server was great fun. They all wondered why I was kicking ass constantly  |
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Jun 18, 2011, 17:29 |
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Scheherazade wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 17:16:
Ant wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 16:54:
space captain wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 16:39:
Prez wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 14:18:
I certainly count myself among the "Fogeys". The thing that stuck out for me the most the first time I saw Quake was the graphics. My jaw hit the floor when I saw it being played.
yeh me too.. if you can wrap your head around it, i used to play the shit with keyboard only for quite a while.. which was the same way i played doom and wolfenstein.. when the qtest was going around, someone came by to play on our LAN and said "dude.... use a mouse" and i was blown away with how much it changed the game, hehe Same here. I tried using the mouse for DOOM and Wolf3D, but it didn't work because it wasn't 360 degrees like Quake and newer. Geez, we're old.
My favorite BBS was having a lan party, and I saw 3D acceleration for the first time. THAT was my 'jaw on the floor' moment.
640x480 at 30+ fps. It was mind blowing. Everyone huddled around the one computer with a voodoo and just stared at the awesomeness.
"You can't even see the pixels!" - I remember people saying that like it was yesterday (texture dithering).
-scheherazade
Totally. I bought the original Diamond Monster 3D card as my first 3D card for Quake.  Amazing. I remember at my college's LAN parties, we had projectors, dual CPU servers, etc. FUN TIMES! I miss them.  |
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Jun 18, 2011, 17:16 |
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Ant wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 16:54:
space captain wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 16:39:
Prez wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 14:18:
I certainly count myself among the "Fogeys". The thing that stuck out for me the most the first time I saw Quake was the graphics. My jaw hit the floor when I saw it being played.
yeh me too.. if you can wrap your head around it, i used to play the shit with keyboard only for quite a while.. which was the same way i played doom and wolfenstein.. when the qtest was going around, someone came by to play on our LAN and said "dude.... use a mouse" and i was blown away with how much it changed the game, hehe Same here. I tried using the mouse for DOOM and Wolf3D, but it didn't work because it wasn't 360 degrees like Quake and newer. Geez, we're old.
My favorite BBS was having a lan party, and I saw 3D acceleration for the first time. THAT was my 'jaw on the floor' moment.
640x480 at 30+ fps. It was mind blowing. Everyone huddled around the one computer with a voodoo and just stared at the awesomeness.
"You can't even see the pixels!" - I remember people saying that like it was yesterday (texture dithering).
-scheherazade
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Jun 18, 2011, 16:54 |
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space captain wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 16:39:
Prez wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 14:18:
I certainly count myself among the "Fogeys". The thing that stuck out for me the most the first time I saw Quake was the graphics. My jaw hit the floor when I saw it being played.
yeh me too.. if you can wrap your head around it, i used to play the shit with keyboard only for quite a while.. which was the same way i played doom and wolfenstein.. when the qtest was going around, someone came by to play on our LAN and said "dude.... use a mouse" and i was blown away with how much it changed the game, hehe Same here. I tried using the mouse for DOOM and Wolf3D, but it didn't work because it wasn't 360 degrees like Quake and newer. Geez, we're old. |
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Jun 18, 2011, 16:39 |
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Prez wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 14:18:
I certainly count myself among the "Fogeys". The thing that stuck out for me the most the first time I saw Quake was the graphics. My jaw hit the floor when I saw it being played.
yeh me too.. if you can wrap your head around it, i used to play the shit with keyboard only for quite a while.. which was the same way i played doom and wolfenstein.. when the qtest was going around, someone came by to play on our LAN and said "dude.... use a mouse" and i was blown away with how much it changed the game, hehe |
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Jun 18, 2011, 14:44 |
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NotOneOfUs wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 20:42:
Fast movement speed (same as Quake 1). No "Sprint" function (always moving at top speed). All weapons. Health packs.
If it does this, I will walk to Texas and kiss Carmack's shoes.
I love how people today call quake 'fast'.
When it came out, we were all griping about how 'slow' it was compared to doom.
Goes to show you what's happened with games in general. Everything crawls.
I was rather happy about doom3's MP, since you could bunny hop really fast. Although so few people realized this that people that knew how to were initially kicked for cheating...
-scheherazade
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Jun 18, 2011, 14:22 |
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Prez wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 14:18:
space captain wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 22:22:
pretty sure prez is older than you, jesus freak
I certainly count myself among the "Fogeys". The thing that stuck out for me the most the first time I saw Quake was the graphics. My jaw hit the floor when I saw it being played. I remember Qtest and playing in my college's computer labs with no sound cards. It was still rad. |
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Jun 18, 2011, 14:18 |
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space captain wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 22:22:
pretty sure prez is older than you, jesus freak
I certainly count myself among the "Fogeys". The thing that stuck out for me the most the first time I saw Quake was the graphics. My jaw hit the floor when I saw it being played. |
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Jun 18, 2011, 13:04 |
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Quake 1 re-boot?
Hells yes, please! |
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Jun 18, 2011, 12:44 |
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frag.machine wrote on Jun 18, 2011, 11:00:
Beamer wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 19:14:
The reasons for "disjointed and incoherent" would be that id didn't make their games to tell a story back then but that they made the game first (or a series of cool levels) and then at the very last minute they slapped a story on the whole thing. That's why id games never had much of a story to begin with.
Doom was coherent. Sure, the story was solely a .txt, but it had coherency.
Quake lacked it entirely.
Quake indeed had a quite complex story based on a D&D campaign that Romero and Carmack were playing, but it was later scraped in favor of "just doing Doom 3" (as put in "Masters of Doom"). I recalled "All Your History" documentaries (http://www.youtube.com/show/allyourhistory?s=3 ) mentioning this too that made id Software employee (John Romero) depart?
This comment was edited on Jun 18, 2011, 13:12. |
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Jun 18, 2011, 11:56 |
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| Story in gaming is a waste of time. Games today are all story. Hundreds of millions spent on story. With gameplay that's slow and on autopilot requiring less and less input. |
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Jun 18, 2011, 11:00 |
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Beamer wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 19:14:
The reasons for "disjointed and incoherent" would be that id didn't make their games to tell a story back then but that they made the game first (or a series of cool levels) and then at the very last minute they slapped a story on the whole thing. That's why id games never had much of a story to begin with.
Doom was coherent. Sure, the story was solely a .txt, but it had coherency.
Quake lacked it entirely.
Quake indeed had a quite complex story based on a D&D campaign that Romero and Carmack were playing, but it was later scraped in favor of "just doing Doom 3" (as put in "Masters of Doom"). |
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Re: QUAKE |
Jun 18, 2011, 10:58 |
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Jerykk wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 17:39:
While I'd love to see another Quake game, I'm pretty sure it would be nothing like the originals. Carmack essentially said in an interview that id isn't going to make big-budget PC exclusives ever again. That means any new Quake game would be multiplatform and thus, designed for gamepads. Quake + gamepads = not Quake.
I remember reading that Carmack regretted for not developing Rage mainly for PC and then later adapting it to consoles. Maybe for the next developments they end up doing the Right Thing(tm) after all. |
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Re: QUAKE |
Jun 18, 2011, 08:56 |
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| Nah, just make a completely new game. |
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Re: QUAKE |
Jun 18, 2011, 05:33 |
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Turns out that like Call of Duty the game has a mechanic on a gamepad where when you hit the aim button it auto-locks to the nearest enemy, removing the need to really aim at all. Using this mechanic (and turning it off on PC) might make real fast-paced shooters more common in modern times.
I'm thinking more along the lines of Quake multiplayer. Even console shooters don't have iron sights snapping in multiplayer. Quake MP was all about really fast player movement as well. Strafe-jumping and rocket-jumping, to be specific. If a new Quake is made, they'll definitely slow things down to accommodate for gamepads. |
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Re: QUAKE |
Jun 18, 2011, 01:39 |
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Wraith wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 23:45:
Why on earth anyone would want to revisit the game-design that time forgot is beyond me.
To give us a break from the umpteen military/sci-fi shooters of today? |
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Jun 18, 2011, 00:10 |
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Rockn-Roll wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 19:10:
Of course the only ones that truly know what happened are Romero, the Carmacks, Cloud, and Willits.
I spoke with Willits at QuakeCon 2006 about Quake1, which is by far and wide my favorite Quake game. IIRC he said he cleaned/polished up a lot of the levels by Romero and others too.
For me, Quakeworld was more 28.8 modem friendly, but the original Quake (aka 'netquake') offers a much better and more solid gameplay, especially since we now all have broadband. No rubber banding, no insta-kills from 300 ping players, etc.. Quakeworld played, and still does, play like shit. Netquake is what I hope they copy, but I realize it's an entirely different era in gaming and they'll probably bring over the the theme and perhaps little of the original gameplay and none of the code (it's GPL'd anyway). I suspect that they'd use an updated Rage engine.
For me, Quake2 multiplayer was a big disappointment. Q2 copied the Quakeworld net-code and the MP gameplay suffered greatly. Sure Q2 SP was fine and fun, and even the MP was wildly popular, but I hated it. Even the Q2 theme was somewhat generic.
I have low expectations. A Quake1 sequel designed for a gamepad - that's against my religion. I'd like to be hopeful though so I won't judge until I see/play it.
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| Political freedom can only be preceded by economic freedom which is preceded by monetary freedom. |
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Re: QUAKE |
Jun 18, 2011, 00:08 |
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Yeah...the grappling hook was awesome...I liked grappling in the upper corner of the capture room then switching to the rocket launcher and wait for enemies. They soon figured out where I was and rail me if I stayed put, but the key is to move around and hang in a different place each time. Grapple hook was especially handy for the two towers map (I think it was called two towers) because a skilled flag carrier could grapple all the way from the enemy capture area to the home capture point with the flag without touching the ground...nearly eliminating any splash damage and providing a challenge to all other weapons fire.
Do you remember the Lithium mod for Quake? Runes were added that provided a temporary boost of speed, damage, damage resistance, and the 4th I think invisibility. It was the first introduction of what we now call power-ups...which were a main-stay of Quake 3 Arena especially CTF.
I remember that CTF was such a popular mod that when it was released the deathmatch servers shrank from 100% full servers to less than 10% half-full with almost everyone in the CTF servers on nearly every service. Of course that only lasted for a few months until Team Fortress was introduced, but even then there were at least 25% CTF servers still running while TF servers were like 70%. Most clans still competed in CTF as well as TF. Of course threewave CTF really improved the game by restricting weapons and ammo instead of everyone having all weapons and lots of ammo to start.
We will never have that experience again, but if Quake would go back to the basic FPS for multiplayer then perhaps the free-for-all deathmatches as well as threewave-style CTF would rule again. |
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Re: QUAKE |
Jun 17, 2011, 23:56 |
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Jerykk wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 17:39:
While I'd love to see another Quake game, I'm pretty sure it would be nothing like the originals. Carmack essentially said in an interview that id isn't going to make big-budget PC exclusives ever again. That means any new Quake game would be multiplatform and thus, designed for gamepads. Quake + gamepads = not Quake.
I was finishing Red Faction Armageddon the other day and damn the end of that game is crazy. You are constantly being swarmed and surrounded by enemies pretty much like the old days of Quake and Serious Sam. I wondered how the hell consoles could handle that with those analog pads.
Turns out that like Call of Duty the game has a mechanic on a gamepad where when you hit the aim button it auto-locks to the nearest enemy, removing the need to really aim at all. Using this mechanic (and turning it off on PC) might make real fast-paced shooters more common in modern times. |
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