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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 09:33 |
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I can remember Steam sales going back as far as three years before my memory starts getting fuzzy. They started promotional events at least that far back, they are more reliable in their appearance now but its been way longer than a year.
That's why I chose the word "frequent". Yes, they had sales much farther back, but they didn't have them anywhere near as often as they do now. You'd see maybe 2-3 a month, instead of near daily, like we have now.
I don't like EA, and would prefer to do business with Steam
Right, and if that's what it comes down to, then fine. My point isn't whether or not people "like" them/it, it's what specifically about Origin that people have an issue with.
For example, with Steam, I can point to things about it I don't like - having people always know what game I'm playing if I'm online, having to have a 3rd-party client open to run most of the games, etc. At this point, the pros of Steam outweigh the cons, so in general I don't mind Steam.
What exactly are the pros/cons of Origin? Or, more specifically, what are the cons, since people seem to be complaining, which you don't tend to do about pros  . |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 08:59 |
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It's only within the last year or so that they've really pushed the concept of having frequent sales, before that, they were much more rare.
I can remember Steam sales going back as far as three years before my memory starts getting fuzzy. They started promotional events at least that far back, they are more reliable in their appearance now but its been way longer than a year.
EA's digital distro service, in the past, was awful. Even if Origin is better, I don't like EA, and would prefer to do business with Steam.
EA is doing this simply to try to get a slice of the Steam pie, and based on EA's prior track record, I'm betting their service will NOT be something I want to be involved with.
I don't really agree with the idea of dismissing it out of hand but in this case they appear to be trying to create a walled garden with their own titles so you appear to be right. At least they were smart enough to not force things through Origin(yet), that's one you have to give them as a smart decision which is encouraging. I suspect it has more to do with Biowares involvement than EA but either way it's a good thing.
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 08:59 |
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Bhruic wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 03:29:
I really don't get the bitching over this. I mean, yeah, early on without having any info, it was easy to conjure up doomsday scenarios. But look at the facts:
1) You don't have to have another client running constantly, so you don't have to worry about having "dozens" of clients going. Once you've downloaded the game, you never (if you don't want to) have to run Origins again.
2) You can still get the game from a non-Origins source if you prefer a physical media.
Now you can still say stuff like "it won't go on sale", but where's the rationale for that? Yes, EA doesn't have to compete with other digital distributors, but they still have to compete with all the other MMOs out there. While it's possible they'll never have the game go on sale, that'd be foolish from a competition standpoint, and I suspect EA has enough business knowledge to realize that.
Now I haven't really looked into Origins that extensively, so if it turns out that you've got a download limit, or install limit or something like that with SWTOR through them, then I can see a valid complaint. Barring that, it just seems like a lot of people who aren't going to like anything that EA does just because it's EA doing it.
I don't get why you don't get why people don't like this.
Physical media is largely a thing of the past for many people. I, for one, can't recall the last time I bought a game in a box.
EA's digital distro service, in the past, was awful. Even if Origin is better, I don't like EA, and would prefer to do business with Steam.
EA is doing this simply to try to get a slice of the Steam pie, and based on EA's prior track record, I'm betting their service will NOT be something I want to be involved with.
I'm not basing my decision on "EA hate" but on EA's prior performance. You imply that people not being enthused about anything EA does is somehow irrational or unfair - but EA earned that.
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 08:58 |
Bhruic |
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Compare the history of EA games going on sale at EA store and sold through their download service, vs the history of games in general going on sale at steam. EA doesn't do sales very often.
There's multiple things wrong with making that assumption.
First up is the fact that the size of the libraries are completely different. Steam has a vastly larger catalog, so they can have individual games on sale more often without requiring repeats.
Second, believe it or not, the concept of the "Steam sale" is actually quite recent. It's only within the last year or so that they've really pushed the concept of having frequent sales, before that, they were much more rare.
Third, we are talking about an MMO, which generally has a different sales system than typical games do, thanks to issues like monthly fees.
Fourth, EA has had a store for awhile, but Origin is new. Who's to say that Origin will be run in exactly the same fashion as the old EA store was?
At the end of the day, most of the complaints have little in substance, and seem to fall back on "I get my games through Steam, I don't want to have to bother getting one from somewhere else". Fair enough, but that's not an actual criticism of Origin, it's just you being set in your ways (using the generic "you").
That's not to say there aren't valid criticisms of Origin, but I've yet to see them listed. |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 08:40 |
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Blegvad wrote on Jun 16, 2011, 22:33:
That may be true.
I would guess that EA is equating themselves with Blizzard in terms of their sales and marketing.
You can't buy WOW on steam, right? How often is the WOW client on sale?
Not saying it's going to work out for them, but I'm thinking that is the logic they are using.
Wow with 2 expansions were VERY cheao right before the release of Cata, Only in their store, 10 dollars 10 dollars and 15 dollars (wow,burning crusade,Lich King) So , yea Whole Whining about sales can stop now, it is an MMO. MMO go on sale all the time, Plus it is 50 bucks and ya get a free month fro crying out loud, if 50 is gonna hurt you so bad, time for another hobby. |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 07:52 |
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Bhruic wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 03:29:
I really don't get the bitching over this.
It's Blues News comments section...all we do is bitch. Some more than others. 
Cheers! |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 06:13 |
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If you actually thought Origin was required to RUN the game... wow. Just, wow.
Anyway, I'm glad there will be boxed copies, to satisfy those people who really, really want the cardboard. |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 05:14 |
Dev |
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Bhruic wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 03:29:
Now you can still say stuff like "it won't go on sale", but where's the rationale for that? Compare the history of EA games going on sale at EA store and sold through their download service, vs the history of games in general going on sale at steam. EA doesn't do sales very often. |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 04:56 |
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IMO the main reason why Origin is getting a bad rep from everyone is the exclusivity deal they announced yesterday.
Most people who are on their preferred digital distributor like steam would like all or most of their games on steam.
Since Origin is trying to get more people to use their service they announced that most new games will be exclusive to Origin for a certain time period.
Most people don't like that, like me I would like to get Mass Effect 3 or the next Dragon Age on Steam and play them on day 1.
This forces me to either wait for the game to come out on steam after a week or month or get it from Origin.
This is primarily the reason why people are already hating Origin.
I would have liked to get my games off steam, but I'll wait or get it off other sources and play till they release it on steam. |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 04:22 |
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InBlack wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 03:56:
And why the fuck would an MMO require ANOTHER security and authentication layer on top of the one that the servers will already be running...
Fucking spindoctors are spinning this like they are doing something for the commmuuuniiitty...
They clarified this because when they announced it would only be sold digitally on Origin a lot of people assumed it would run THROUGH Origin. They're just stopping people from assuming that and clearly stating it will work like a normal MMO.
Actually the Origin "DRM" so far works similarly. While Dragon Age 2 and Alice 2 both activate through Origin and tie to your EA/Origin account neither have anything to do with Origin after that unless you want them to. |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 03:56 |
InBlack |
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And why the fuck would an MMO require ANOTHER security and authentication layer on top of the one that the servers will already be running...
Fucking spindoctors are spinning this like they are doing something for the commmuuuniiitty... |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 03:29 |
Bhruic |
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I really don't get the bitching over this. I mean, yeah, early on without having any info, it was easy to conjure up doomsday scenarios. But look at the facts:
1) You don't have to have another client running constantly, so you don't have to worry about having "dozens" of clients going. Once you've downloaded the game, you never (if you don't want to) have to run Origins again.
2) You can still get the game from a non-Origins source if you prefer a physical media.
Now you can still say stuff like "it won't go on sale", but where's the rationale for that? Yes, EA doesn't have to compete with other digital distributors, but they still have to compete with all the other MMOs out there. While it's possible they'll never have the game go on sale, that'd be foolish from a competition standpoint, and I suspect EA has enough business knowledge to realize that.
Now I haven't really looked into Origins that extensively, so if it turns out that you've got a download limit, or install limit or something like that with SWTOR through them, then I can see a valid complaint. Barring that, it just seems like a lot of people who aren't going to like anything that EA does just because it's EA doing it. |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 02:16 |
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"As he lay there, dying in the sun, the sand of desert all around him, Petaris spoke to the rock, not with his lips, but with his mind, and the rock wept tears of fresh water and his thirst was quenched."
Hallowed are the Ori |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 01:51 |
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Seems to me that EA may maintain Origin's policy of selling both digital and retail versions of games, and letting the games run normally without needing a launcher application.
This is the model Amazon uses too.
Great to see more flexible alternatives to the closed Steamworks system.
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 01:48 |
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Creston wrote on Jun 17, 2011, 01:27:
Is that really true, though? There was an article about... I guess a year or so ago, in which it was revealed that Valve can decide to put a game on Steam on sale whenever they want to, as long as the publisher still gets their normal % of the cut. (or their normal dollar value, I forget which it was.)
So did EA have some kind of special agreement or something? How are you so sure about this?
Do you have a link to that? I would find it highly interesting. I was under the impression that the sale agreements these companies sign with digital distributors restrict how much they can charge for the games from day one. |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 01:43 |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 01:27 |
Creston |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Jun 16, 2011, 23:41:
KilrathiAce wrote on Jun 16, 2011, 22:24:
You fail to realize that if this game will only be sold online in digital form at origin and nowhere else like gamersgate or steam or impulse, then you will most likely have to pay more because there will be less chance of a sale deal, less options to look for good deals.
I told you this in the other thread: EA control digital prices on all their games anyway. Steam cannot do a sale on an EA game without EA approving it. EA set the prices.
Is that really true, though? There was an article about... I guess a year or so ago, in which it was revealed that Valve can decide to put a game on Steam on sale whenever they want to, as long as the publisher still gets their normal % of the cut. (or their normal dollar value, I forget which it was.)
So did EA have some kind of special agreement or something? How are you so sure about this?
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 01:25 |
Creston |
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Poor Bioware. All these hoops you have to jump through ever since you shacked up with EA, rather than just concentrate on making great games.
Creston |
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 17, 2011, 00:03 |
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Chance of me buying this game just plummeted. If it's mind blowing, I may still get it in a box (I don't care much for boxes since I don't have the space). But every thing I've read about the game makes it look sub par. I'm not signing up for yet another download service unless it comes with handjobs.
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Re: The Old Republic Doesn't Require Origin |
Jun 16, 2011, 23:53 |
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Blegvad wrote on Jun 16, 2011, 22:21:
Cutter wrote on Jun 16, 2011, 22:10:
Way to limit yourself on an already underwhelming response so far. Are they trying to get this thing to fail on purpose?
If you're game, we can probably come up with a way for you to let go of your hate.
Perhaps we can arrange for someone to buy you some beer or at the very least give you a much needed hug. Sound good?
Hey, i know shills/fanboys for Bioware/EA don't like dissenting opinion, but unfortunately for you we're still entitled to them. You'd probably be much happier in a place like the middle-east or China where you don't have to worry about that sort of thing.
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