What can I say, my tolerance for bullshit gets less and less, the older I get.

I'm sorry guys, this isn't going to be a very popular opinion in these parts, but I must admit to having been more impressed with what I've seen from MW3 than I have from BF3 at the moment.

How can you make that call on BF3 when they havent announced all the features yet?

Well, you did already demonstrate with your response to Sepharo, that you don't have very thick skin.

Ventura wrote on Jun 9, 2011, 19:11:
Single player gamers get more than just the campaign with CoD. Kinda feel I was clear on that point.

you did just nicely demonstrate why I prefer the bots.

But hey, explains a lot about the gameplay you want.

That would apply to just about every shooter these days, including CoD/MW. What's your point?

Ventura wrote on Jun 9, 2011, 17:22:
I'll never forget at a lan piloting a chopper in Vietnam with a couple mates each on a gun out back. Awesomesauce

Battlefield only have the campaign these days; once it's beat (and if you're not really into multiplayer), you just about never fire the game up again.

What? That was credibility flying out the window. Bots...really?

A CoD game to have a stronger single-player campaign? I hardly think so. It's been the same game since 2003.

Ventura wrote on Jun 9, 2011, 05:01:

Just comes down to if you prefer "more realistic" gameplay (BF3) or more arcade-y gameplay with Michael bay-style production (mw3.) Beyond graphics and vehicles that's pretty much the deciding factor when it comes to the single player. In regards to MP gameplay is a factor, especially when taking vehicles into account, but the games also have different player counts and map styles/sizes. another thing to consider is in multiplayer, 'lone wolf' style play is whats the norm when it comes to the mw series. In the BF series things seem to be a bit more team focused.

Fair call mate, and being team/realism vs arcade/lone wolf, BF3 just leans so much more to multiplayer. Not that they won't have an engrossing single player campaign, mind you, but mw3's looks like it's the bees knees thus far. Of course, I anticipate seeing a lot more footage from both games before either one of them is released.

I spent so much more time with Black Ops than I did with Bad Company 2, these days single player (and coop) are really what's doing it for me. If they'd re-add the ability to create your own server and fill it with bots, ala Battlefield of old, I'd be all over that, but I don't think they'll let us do that again.

Prez wrote on Jun 8, 2011, 19:04:
Kudos to them for at least taking the PC audience's concerns under consideration. MW3 will most certainly another MP-focused modern war shooter, in which case I'll have absolutely zero interest, but credit where credit is due.

Ventura wrote on Jun 9, 2011, 05:01:
If they'd re-add the ability to create your own server and fill it with bots, ala Battlefield of old, I'd be all over that, but I don't think they'll let us do that again.

Draugr wrote on Jun 9, 2011, 00:01:
...there is also no concerns about monthly fees.

Teddy wrote on Jun 8, 2011, 20:38:
The problem I had with Black Ops single player was that it was so absolutely monotonously full of action and explosions and cannon fodder enemies that I was bored out of my freaking skull despite being in the thick of crazy intense action. .......... If there's no pause, no build up, no lulls in action then there's no tension whatsoever. Games these days, particularly the CoD series seem to have lost sight of the fact that a corridor or room that has no enemies in it may just serve to make things MORE interesting and compelling than filling every single room to the brim with enemies.

Just comes down to if you prefer "more realistic" gameplay (BF3) or more arcade-y gameplay with Michael bay-style production (mw3.) Beyond graphics and vehicles that's pretty much the deciding factor when it comes to the single player. In regards to MP gameplay is a factor, especially when taking vehicles into account, but the games also have different player counts and map styles/sizes. another thing to consider is in multiplayer, 'lone wolf' style play is whats the norm when it comes to the mw series. In the BF series things seem to be a bit more team focused.

Ventura wrote on Jun 9, 2011, 00:55:
[...] but please, can we make it adults only from here onwards?

Ventura wrote on Jun 9, 2011, 00:55:

First you were like "I've only seen this tank video" then you're all "Nah man, I've seen all the videos ever".

It's all good mate. I mean, if you can't get me on the big stuff, naturally pick on the small shit instead. I like your style, no shit, consistency is undervalued in this day and age.

I didn't mention having seen the faultline trailer because it came out before e3, and I figured we were just talking e3 footage. My bad. I'm happy to clarify for the kids in these parts. I've seen the frostbite 2 trailer also, but it's very short, and since much of it was footage taken from either the tank or faultline videos anyway, I figured it wasn't really worth mentioning. Happy Sepharo? Or you wanna pick nits some more?

I'm happy to continue to discuss BF3 vs MW3, and I'm open to reasonable comments and willing to consider both sides of the coin, but please, can we make it adults only from here onwards?

First you were like "I've only seen this tank video" then you're all "Nah man, I've seen all the videos ever".

Creston wrote on Jun 8, 2011, 23:32:
Translation: We're a little worried that BF3 may steal all of our PC multiplayer customers, so let me make a lot of vague, empty statements that make it appear as if I really give a shit about you.

Creston

Ventura wrote on Jun 8, 2011, 22:15:
when I get home tonight I'll rewatch every video on that page, even though I know I've already seen most of them.