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Valve Single Player Clarification

A Gabe Newell interview offers a clarification of recent comments that "Portal 2 will probably be Valve's last game with an isolated single-player experience." Here's word:

“I think what we’re trying to talk about is the fact that, not that we’re not doing single player games. Portal 2 was a pretty good example of what we’ve learned over the years in terms of how to create those experiences. It’s more that we think we have to work harder in the future, that entertainment is inherently increased in value by having it be social, by letting you play with your friends, by recognizing that you’re connected with other people.”
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“That’s the thing that we’re trying to say, is that, single player is great but we also have to recognize that you have friends, and we wanna have that connected as well. So, it’s not about giving up on single player at all, it’s like saying, we actually think that there’s a bunch of features and capabilities that we need to add into our single player games to recognize the socially connected gamer.”

Thanks RipTen via VG247.

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60. Re: Valve Single Player Clarification May 10, 2011, 00:42 Graham
 
Jerykk wrote on May 9, 2011, 23:35:

I think we can both agree that online forums aren't really representative of the actual weight of game-purchasing consumers; we're a unique subset of the vocal minority; the actual popularity of social games (and the existence of several high volume sites dedicated to the pursuit of achievements) contradicts the conclusions you've drawn from your relatively small sample-size.

I think there's been some miscommunication here. I'm not saying that the vast majority of gamers dislike achievements. I'm saying that they like achievements because it boosts their ePeen size. The high volume sites dedicated to the pursuit of achievements kinda proves that.

And I'm saying that you're coming to a spurious, inflammatory conclusion that's rather insulting to a large group of people without having any evidence to corroborate your viewpoint. The simple existence of high volume for achievement sites does correlate to your conclusion. You've made a leap of logic here that simply can't be sustained.

The achievements in Team Fortress 2 are a good example; I wouldn't have thought of trying to Uber two teammates at the same time as a medic, nor making an effort to light a trio of scouts up as a Pyro. Blocking another invulnerable Heavy-Medic combo as an Ubered Heavy? Alright, I'm on it!

The question is how much your efforts to complete these achievements distract you from focusing on helping your team win. These achievements are things that you have to go out of your way to do. That's because they are impractical. The more time you spend trying to accomplish random goals, the less time you spend being useful to your team. If you could quickly and easily accomplish each achievement task, it wouldn't be such a big issue. But chances are that you're going to fail repeatedly and each failure represents wasted time and effort that could have been used on more effective tactics.

No, that's not the question at all, and if it is for you it's clear you don't play a lot of TF2. Winning the map in TF2 isn't the object; even winning individual engagements isn't the object. Having fun is - and it's amazing that someone who is so dead set against "arbitrary" goals like achievement is blind to that fact. If games for you are only fun if you're useful I can respect that, but it must be incredibly limiting. Your dedication to efficiency is impressive... but I think you might be missing the point of this hobby.

EOL: complaining that gaming is changing and that you want your Tribes back is a little passé. It's not going to happen unless you write it yourself... which, given my interest in a new Tribes game I would heartily suggest you do.

There are actually two Tribes games in development right now. Tribes: Ascend and Tribes: Universe. I'm not really optimistic about either but there's a remote chance that they could be good.

I generally try to avoid pessimism. I don't see the point in it. Worry about something when it happens, until that point hope is much easier to engage in. Sure you'll be let down sometimes, but if you're investing a lot emotionally into the promise of a video game... well, again, priorities.

Achievements are random and arbitrary goals that people would not do if they were not rewarded with icons or gamer points. Getting an achievement doesn't help you or your team win the match. In fact, you're usually pretty useless to your team when you're busy pursuing random goals.

You've made another spurious conclusion here... and we were talking about achievements in single player games which makes your argument even more moot than it already was previously.

Perhaps you're the sort that plays through every game in its entirety, experiencing everything it has to offer all on your own without any outside motivation. Sadly some of us are not so gifted, and don't mind having a list of interesting things to do presented to us (yes, yes, I'm aware you're not interested in them, but thankfully not everyone shares your outlook).

Really what it breaks down to is that you don't understand why people like achievements and they bother you. I'd suggest hanging on to the first element of that but letting the second go. It'll reduce your expenditures on antacids later in life.
 
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