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Computer and Video Games has some thoughts on piracy and DRM from Christofer Sundberg, founder of Swedish developer Avalanche Studios. He admits piracy is as worrisome to them as it is to all other developers, but that 50% of his employees come from hacking background. He also once again explains his distain for DRM. "The DRM does not stop piracy," he said, "it just punishes the people who have actually paid for the game. It's completely useless. Forcing people to be online all the time and so on doesn't show respect to the people who actually buy PC games." To some degree he also blames PC piracy on bad PC games and console ports, saying: "I think piracy wouldn't be as much of an issue if there were better PC games out there. We could just scrap the whole concept of stupid DRM." Here's more: I've always been of the opinion that we should design PC games for the PC players. PC players and console players are completely two different types of consumer. It's always unfair to not design the game for the consumer you're targeting. The PC version is always a second thought [for publishers], like: 'Oh, and we need a PC version too.'
You end up just doing a port, so there's not a lot of time, budget or creative thinking going into using the PC. I think that's quite sad. We [as an industry] should take the PC platform more seriously. Everyone is just complaining about piracy on the PC, but when it comes to in-game DLC or social connectivity, the options on PC compared to console are endless. I would like at some point to do a really good PC game designed specifically for PC players.
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StingingVelvet wrote on Mar 26, 2011, 21:14:
elefunk wrote on Mar 26, 2011, 21:09: To people who still don't like steam, sure it's an irony to a point. But to a developer using it, it's so much more than just DRM. It's a platform that makes it incredibly easy for them to release updates and dlc, track sales down to the instant, and quickly give discounts with. All that infrastructure is incredibly difficult and expensive for a developer to build from scratch, so getting it for free with Steamworks is very enticing even without the drm aspect coming up. There's also things like cloud settings and saves that help customers, which would be even more difficult to do without Steamworks. If they didn't care about the DRM they could make Steam an optional install for online features like a few games have done in the past. I'd say for Just Cause 2 it was likely that Steamworks gave them the means to do what they wanted without having to do a lot of stuff from scratch. Things like Achievements and online saves etc. Those things might not matter to some people...but that's a separate thing.
I don't think anyone with any common sense is going to argue that Steamworks isn't essentially DRM. I just think that we're past the point where most people find Steam as intrusive as any of the other DRM solutions out there.
Most people(myself included) just don't find it to be a detriment.
If that is the case, then making a separate non-Steam version doesn't really make any sense. It would only be a concern to a few people(like yourself) who are Steam-wary and would rather not have your games associated with it.
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Mar 26, 21:09 |
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