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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 18, 2011, 16:32 |
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 16:50:
I hope it works out for the best, I just feel like Valve marketing it to 3rd party companies is destined for consumer pain. :( Such is the nature of things. But since publishers already add in third party DRM that accomplishes hardware lock-in, it's the same pain but without really annoying rootkit type stuff tagging along with the games, at least.
I wish everybody voted with their wallets and didn't buy a single game with any such system. There seems to be no limit to what people are willing to accept (Ubisoft, I'm looking at you).  |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 16:50 |
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Frode wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 12:27:
MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 12:20:
Locking some game to a certain hardware config is a lot different than a disc check(Safedisc). Sorry, I meant SecuROM (and similar online activation based schemes).
There, no more room for misunderstandings. 
Ah, that makes slightly more sense, I guess we will have to see the final form of Steam Guard to compare. Although comparing really annoying DRM to hypothetically really annoying DRM sounds like a depressing conversation.
I hope it works out for the best, I just feel like Valve marketing it to 3rd party companies is destined for consumer pain.
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 12:27 |
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 12:20:
Locking some game to a certain hardware config is a lot different than a disc check(Safedisc). Sorry, I meant SecuROM (and similar online activation based schemes).
There, no more room for misunderstandings. |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 12:20 |
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Frode wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 07:19:
I don't see how this is any different from publishers adding Safedisc etc. to accomplish the same.
Locking some game to a certain hardware config is a lot different than a disc check(Safedisc). I can have a game installed on 10 computers and keep bringing the cd/dvd with me to each one to play at that time, vs losing my game 'license/activation' or whatever if I change a video card or harddrive. Exaggerated to the point of absurdity, maybe, but you get the idea.
As is the case with third party DRM, I'm sure any activation limits will be noted on the game's store page so we can all avoid buying it. If you're buying games with that kind of DRM, you are part of the problem.
Hopefully all DRM is listed explicitly on every game, but past history indicates many, if not most people do not read anything at all before they buy games, assuming the DRM information is even correct in the first place.
I avoid buying games based on DRM, but I'm definitely in the minority on that.
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 07:19 |
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 06:33:
Now the only question is which publisher will use this 'feature' first? I don't see how this is any different from publishers adding Safedisc etc. to accomplish the same.
As is the case with third party DRM, I'm sure any activation limits will be noted on the game's store page so we can all avoid buying it. If you're buying games with that kind of DRM, you are part of the problem. |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 06:33 |
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How quickly people forget the initial press release:
"Steam Guard is available to third parties to incorporate into their own applications through Steamworks."
This Steam Guard idea is okay in theory, but you should all realize what it will end up meaning for future games: software that is hardware locked to one computer/configuration.
Now the only question is which publisher will use this 'feature' first?
EDIT: Fibrocyte, it's CUE the naysayers... 
queue = line, cue = signal something to begin
English'd.
This comment was edited on Mar 17, 2011, 06:39. |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 06:14 |
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| Queue the bluesnews naysayers in 3...2...1... |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 05:11 |
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Frode wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 04:30:
Dev wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 03:51:
But still! Let there be an option to turn off if I enter a code from email. Have you even bothered looking at Steam's settings? There's an entire freakin button - the first one on the first screen - dedicated to managing Steam Guard settings. Sheesh. Talk about crying wolf with your head in the... sand.
Edit: I suppose I should point out, just to avoid the most inane responses, that one of the options is indeed "disable".
This is what I love about Blue's News |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 04:35 |
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Grokk wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 01:33:
Assuming that the 'other party' has acquired your details through a key logger, there's a great chance they already have access to your email.
Which you can (to some extent) safeguard against by using Gmail and its two factor authentication.
Even without that though, it certainly is an extra layer with no real downside. I don't see any reason not to use it. |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 04:30 |
Frode |
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Dev wrote on Mar 17, 2011, 03:51:
But still! Let there be an option to turn off if I enter a code from email. Have you even bothered looking at Steam's settings? There's an entire freakin button - the first one on the first screen - dedicated to managing Steam Guard settings. Sheesh. Talk about crying wolf with your head in the... sand.
Edit: I suppose I should point out, just to avoid the most inane responses, that one of the options is indeed "disable". |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 03:51 |
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MattB wrote on Mar 16, 2011, 23:13:
I had my reservations about this, but it seems to be a really positive level of protection with no downside. I haven't used it yet, but I can't see a reason not too. Activate on as many computers as you want, you just need to validate from your email address. ++valve Yeah, I was afraid they'd turn it into a 1 computer DRM scheme, but they still let you use on as many as you like, just that if its not the primary you gotta get a code from the email. Seems fine to me. I doubt I'll use it though since I already verified my email to help protect my account.
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WTF VALVE!! Its enabled by DEFAULT and no way to disable it?!!?
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Ok, its a 1 time per computer authorization over email (thought it was every login) which isn't made clear or even mentioned in the support document thats supposed to explain it all, just the announcement. But still! Let there be an option to turn off if I enter a code from email. |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 17, 2011, 01:33 |
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I'd have to agree, it does seem like a no hassle added layer of protection. I'm not sure how much protection it would really provide however.
Assuming that the 'other party' has acquired your details through a key logger, there's a great chance they already have access to your email.
Still, I'll turn it on. |
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Re: Steam Guard Leaves Beta |
Mar 16, 2011, 23:13 |
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| I had my reservations about this, but it seems to be a really positive level of protection with no downside. I haven't used it yet, but I can't see a reason not too. Activate on as many computers as you want, you just need to validate from your email address. ++valve |
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