swaaye wrote on Feb 22, 2011, 16:36:
How can People Can Fly make yet another game of this kind without coop? Painkiller needed it so badly...

Verno wrote on Feb 21, 2011, 17:27:

wolve wrote on Feb 21, 2011, 17:12:
and neither did AC: Brotherhood
Oh and the comment by m0deth that Epic knows "dickle about coop games" cracked me up good. The Gears of War games are some of the best co-op shooters on console.

Did you actually play AC:B MP? It's pretty damned good and not at all the "tickbox" type of MP. They actually took their time and did it properly. Not going to even touch the Gears of War comment.

Beamer wrote on Feb 21, 2011, 16:53:

But those are all pretty straight-forward games. Not much along the lines of gimmicks (although Valve would be very, very quick to tell you they didn't do co-op not because they couldn't but because it would ruin the atmosphere - you have one guy running through and triggering all the scripted nuances and the second guy comes through and absolutely misses those little touches that helped HL rise to greatness - not to mention it'd totally break their AI.) Imagine, instead, Max Payne, which was pretty much entirely built around bullet-time. The developers would either have to cut bullet-time, which made it just a third person shooter (and a very difficult one), or they'd have to have a shared bullet-time meter and whenever one went into it all went into it, which would make my brain explode.

wolve wrote on Feb 21, 2011, 17:12:
and neither did AC: Brotherhood
Oh and the comment by m0deth that Epic knows "dickle about coop games" cracked me up good. The Gears of War games are some of the best co-op shooters on console.

Beamer wrote on Feb 21, 2011, 16:47:
In this case I will very readily use "everyone," as I'm pretty much the only person in this post willing to admit that companies would rather shoe-horn in multiplayer for the sake of sales than cut it for the sake of quality. If Epic was as evil and greedy as everyone here keeps claiming they'd pretty happily slap in multiplayer, which is already in the engine, just to brag about it on the back of the box.

And that was deliberate. Everyone here distrusts Epic to the point of irrationality. I'm not saying anyone is irrational in their hatred of Epic, I'm saying they let that hate blind them to the point that they assume Epic is irrational.

You do realize that fun is subjective right?

It's one thing if they were to say that they started implementing it but found that it was going to take more resources than they felt like dedicating towards it, but they said they got it working.

Even ones that were never intended to have coop. Half-Life, Elite Force, Half-Life 2, and Doom 3 all were made exponentially more fun by modders creating a coop mode for them.

We put it in, it didn't work so well 'cause we know dickle about coop games

One of these things is not like the other.

Why? Features that aren't fun get cut all the time.

Verno, you should know by now that I specifically avoid "everyone" or "you guys" to avoid lumping people like you, Cutter, nin, Creston, etc. in to every single post.

But since they're Epic everyone puts an evil spin on anything they do.

ike I said, leave the code in there and see if modders can do something with it - it's been done before.

For what it's worth, I found Bioshock 2 multiplayer to be unnecessary, but had they spent resources on it, got it working, then left it out I'd find that dubious too.

The price. He is simply saying this game is overpriced for what it offers. From your quote it "looks" like a childish rant, but when you include the price tag his point strikes home.

Ive never seen you once take a pro-gamer stance. In nearly every single thread you decide to post you seem to defend the industry against the very people that have made this industry what it is today. Gamers.

Beamer wrote on Feb 20, 2011, 20:09:
Hell, people around here ranted that BioShock 2 completely missed what made the game fun by putting resources into multiplayer. Why is this different?

Verno, you should know by now that I specifically avoid "everyone" or "you guys" to avoid lumping people like you, Cutter, nin, Creston, etc. in to every single post.

And I can't reply to every single post or I'll be shooting in every direction.

So let me get this straight; this game is meant to be all about combos and destroying things in as many ways as possible, or something. It has a 4-5 hour campaign, one deathmatch mode, no team deathmatch, no co-op, an utterly disastrously bad website and more marketing bullshit (see said website) than I've ever seen for a game.

Agreed, instead of offering criticisms based on "everyone" or "you guys", just address people individually instead of lumping the entire site together. It just discredits what you post and looks like trolling.