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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:55 |
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scorpius wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:50:
-Fail to lock your car: things get stolen and no insurance because your basic security measures failed.
-Fail to protect your IP: same thing, society demands that you take proper measures.
Tell you what. How bout I leave my car unlocked with my keys in the ingnition and the engine running. Then you take my car. We'll see who the court sides with. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:53 |
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wtf_man wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:38:
It's a bunch of BS, and Crytek WANTS an excuse to dump the PC market.... so, again... (from the other thread on this topic) I say let them... and good riddance.
/shrug They don't need an excuse to do anything. They're a company, not one of your buddies looking for an excuse to skip your birthday party. If they wanted to dump the PC market, they would just go ahead and do it. Studios don't release on the PC platform out of the goodness of their hearts, but because - in spite of piracy - there's still money in it. Just less than there would've been without it. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:50 |
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Rilcon wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:37:
You're making it out like Crytek put this on their own torrent site are are shocked people started downloading it. Let me make my point for the very last time:
There is a difference between fault en causation:
-Fail to lock your car: things get stolen and no insurance because your basic security measures failed.
-Fail to protect your IP: same thing, society demands that you take proper measures.
In modern society we accept that things are flawed, and we demand that companies and people take proper measures, it's their responsibility. Otherwise banks wouldn't need safe's, right?
This all on the assumption that they did fuck-up themselves of course. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:48 |
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You know...most people would probably think you're crazy if, as you walked down a busy street, a wad of cash dropped out of your pocket and you expected to go back the next day to find it all where you left it.
The world doesn't work that way. Why would you expect that software you unintentionally leaked would be any safer?
Of course people are pirating it. Its been leaked before release.
Are the people pirating it guilty of piracy? Of course, but in this case, piracy isn't the cause...its the effect of your sloppy security. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:47 |
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Rilcon wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:43:
What they said with this release was "Piracy continues to damage the PC packaged goods market and the PC development community." That doesn't blame anyone but pirates; doesn't mention PC gamers, PC community or anything of the sort.
I'm sorry... Crytek, EA, and other Developers and Publishers constantly imply that their customers (aka PC Gamers) are all Pirates.
And frankly... it's getting really really old, and as a consumer, my sympathy has gone out the window a long time ago. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:45 |
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Further more to Beamer post (55)
The answer is not piracy but the right to return software, this is the consumer right and I'm amazed that in America you can't do that.
DRM should insure you are aloud to return software due to the 'fact' that the DRM should stop you form using it after you have returned it. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:43 |
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wtf_man wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:38:
Suddenly_Dead wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 16:34:
And thereafter it was redistributed and downloaded solely by... internal persons?
... and the PC gaming community controls the Internet?
There is no way to control asshats on the Internet. So Blaming PC gamers for all those downloads is a load of BS... especially since a majority of them aren't legitimate purchasers to begin with... so the "translated lost sales" (for their own dumb ass mistake) is way WAY overblown.
It's a bunch of BS, and Crytek WANTS an excuse to dump the PC market.... so, again... (from the other thread on this topic) I say let them... and good riddance.
/shrug
What they said with this release was "Piracy continues to damage the PC packaged goods market and the PC development community." That doesn't blame anyone but pirates; doesn't mention PC gamers, PC community or anything of the sort. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:38 |
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Suddenly_Dead wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 16:34:
And thereafter it was redistributed and downloaded solely by... internal persons?
... and the PC gaming community controls the Internet?
There is no way to control asshats on the Internet. So Blaming PC gamers for all those downloads is a load of BS... especially since a majority of them aren't legitimate purchasers to begin with... so the "translated lost sales" (for their own dumb ass mistake) is way WAY overblown.
EDIT: Just for the record... I don't consider Pirates to be PC Gamers... mainly because they pirate EVERYTHING... Business software, utilities, games, music, movies, etc. etc. Singling out PC Gamers because something happens to be a game that is being distributed... is fuckin' bogus.
It's a bunch of BS, and Crytek WANTS an excuse to dump the PC market.... so, again... (from the other thread on this topic) I say let them... and good riddance.
/shrug
This comment was edited on Feb 12, 2011, 18:43. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:37 |
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scorpius wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:32:
PropheT wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:26:
That's a legitimate contender for the most asinine thing I've ever read here.
Someone steals your stuff, it's your fault for not locking it up better? You seriously don't think the fault lies with the person who stole it? You must be be equally enraged by the policies of insurance companies who _demand_ that you lock up your stuff, otherwise you simple don't get payed.
Almost everyone blames the guy who fails to lock his car for his own stupidity, but this analogy somehow shouldn't hold up in this case?
You're making it out like Crytek put this on their own torrent site are are shocked people started downloading it. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:32 |
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PropheT wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:26:
That's a legitimate contender for the most asinine thing I've ever read here.
Someone steals your stuff, it's your fault for not locking it up better? You seriously don't think the fault lies with the person who stole it? You must be be equally enraged by the policies of insurance companies who _demand_ that you lock up your stuff, otherwise you simple don't get payed.
Almost everyone blames the guy who fails to lock his car for his own stupidity, but this analogy somehow shouldn't hold up in this case?
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:31 |
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The only reviews that can trusted are user reviews. Most review's are bought and paid for by the game company or someone affiliated with them. I wouldn't buy any games without lots of research. The thing I'm trying to get at is that these companies are not held accountable for faulty software and if they know it is not polished, they should not charge 50-60$.
If games had to be 100% polished before going out the door there'd be far fewer games made.
And reviews are very, very, very, very, rarely paid for.
I never understand why people here make all kinds of "consumer" demands without realizing that some things would really affect you badly. Yes, some games do get released in a broken state. Typically you can know this within an hour of it being released and avoid it, as messageboards such as this one will discuss it. And most games are released in less-than-perfect shape. But typically it's a choice between pushing it out the door like that or not releasing it at all.
The push for better quality control in video games would just mean fewer games get made, and it would mean the games would likely cost more. Some of the best games I've played were buggy as hell. RDR, for a very recent example. That got pushed out the door because RockStar was fed up with dealing with the development. The studio was on the verge of shut down. Layoffs happened anyway.
But the game was awesome.
Under the standard of "more polish" we'd never have seen it. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:29 |
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| To the "blame Crytek" crowd: remember the Doom 3 leak? The one from ATI, that id could only have prevented by not letting GPU vendors test their drivers against the game beforehand, which would have resulted in a miserable experience for you on launch day? |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:26 |
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scorpius wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:21:
That still doesn't discount the fact that the leak itself is not the fault of the pirates, but the company and it's flawed security policies themselves.
That's a legitimate contender for the most asinine thing I've ever read here.
Someone steals your stuff, it's your fault for not locking it up better? You seriously don't think the fault lies with the person who stole it? |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:22 |
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Wolfox wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:01:
Blaming piracy is legitimate in this case. Why? A leaked copy would not have the impact that it will have if not for the piracy "subculture". No one would have any interest in leaking a build if there was no way for people to download/play it (or no interest in doing so), isn't that right?
No, not at all. Even if piracy didn't exist, a leaked copy would still be eaten up. Most people who are interested enough to play an unfinished beta build are avid fans. They are people who are going to pick up the game anyway. Think of the excitement caused by the early leak of unfinished versions of Doom 3 and Half-Life 2. I would be willing to bet that most of the people who downloaded those ended up buying the games. Or think back to that Star Wars prequel that leaked early. Casual moviegoers were happy to wait for it to hit the theater; it was the obsessive types that were willing to put up with watching a crappy bootleg to see it a few days early. The same people who'd go on to watch it half a dozen times in the theater anyway.
I'm not saying this has the exact same effect as a polished demo. But the fact that it's sort of a forbidden insider look at a moment in development makes it even more appealing to hardcore fans. And completely unappealing to non-fanatics.
This comment was edited on Feb 12, 2011, 18:42. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:21 |
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Rilcon wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:01:
The people after the first seeder, them be pirates, they have nothing to do with Crytek and their lot; they just want a free game. Yup, but what does it matter in this case? It happens to almost all the games, media, movies, etc. Also wikileaks. Once something hits the net, there is no stopping it.
That still doesn't discount the fact that the leak itself is not the fault of the pirates, but the company and it's flawed security policies themselves.
Wolfox wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:01:
No one would rob cars or other items if no one would buy it. But no insurance will pay you if you didn't lock your car or we're careless in any other way. You can argue that no decent man in their right mind would steal from your un-locked car, but that still wouldn't hold up.
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:18 |
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Icewind wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 18:13:
Suddenly_Dead wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 16:40:
I've heard very good things about the performance too, which is a nice change for a Crytek game. Probably a side-effect of targeting the consoles (though the 360 multiplayer beta/demo doesn't even seem to be running at 720p).
That's because this one up on the torrents is locked at Medium detail level on every setting.
Also, the Xbox demo looked atrocious. I played one round and uninstalled it. It looked even worse than Halo 3.
There's lots of stuff going on, objects, textures, material shaders... and you can barely make any of it out past the low resolution and post-processing. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:17 |
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| All the buzz surrounding the leak and the positive comments about the game will only increase sales. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:13 |
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Suddenly_Dead wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 16:40:
I've heard very good things about the performance too, which is a nice change for a Crytek game. Probably a side-effect of targeting the consoles (though the 360 multiplayer beta/demo doesn't even seem to be running at 720p).
That's because this one up on the torrents is locked at Medium detail level on every setting.
Also, the Xbox demo looked atrocious. I played one round and uninstalled it. It looked even worse than Halo 3. |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:11 |
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KilrathiAce wrote on Feb 12, 2011, 17:58:
How about they take responsibility and not tell us(pc community) that this is our fault. They're not blaming me for anything, they're blaming pirates.
Someone leaked the game, they denounced the people redistributing it (pirates), and a bunch of people are getting pissy. So the impact is probably not as bad as they're (very very weakly) implying. And? Am I the only one who is just not getting this thread at all? |
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Re: Crytek responds to Crysis 2 Leak |
Feb 12, 2011, 18:01 |
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Blaming piracy is legitimate in this case. Why? A leaked copy would not have the impact that it will have if not for the piracy "subculture". No one would have any interest in leaking a build if there was no way for people to download/play it (or no interest in doing so), isn't that right?
Some analogies: no one would sell drugs if there was no one interested in buying them. No one would rob cars or other items if no one would buy it.
And the leaked copy would have no impact if there were no pirates around to download and play it.
Now, to the people that say that this leaked copy means "nothing": it means a lot. Crytek/EA will have added costs to replace serials and perhaps something else. Stockholders will give them hell for what happened. People will play the game ahead of time and say it's "buggy" or "sucks" without considering that it's not a final build, or even giving it some serious playing time before deciding if it really "sucks". Some significant damage WILL be done, and that damage will reflect on the jobs of the people who worked on this.
I hope they find whoever leaked this and prosecute him/her to the full extent of the law. I also hope he/she NEVER finds another job in this industry. He screwed his company, his co-workers, and every single person who pays for the games, because it's us - the people who choose to pay for the work that has been done on so many great games instead of "enjoying" them for "free" - that will have to endure more draconian DRM and lack of AAA releases. |
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