Id Tech 5 is very limited. It has megatexture, it has large outdoor environments, but... for example, it has static, prerendered lighting (unlike Id Tech 4).

Todd Howard said: "Id Tech 5 is the best thing in the world at doing a very static environment that looks pretty and you're going to run through. But for the kinds of things I like to do, I like the world to be more dynamic."

baltar wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 15:32:
Screw all this noise we need a sequel to Terminator Future Shock and Skynet. Get to it Bethesda!

space captain wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 12:30:

Jerykk wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 12:21:
Where'd you read that?

there is this new thing called the "internet" where they have all kinds of information

Source distantly originates from the GoldSrc engine, itself a heavily modified version of the QuakeWorld iteration of John D. Carmack's Quake engine, as is explained by Valve employee Erik Johnson on the Valve Developer Community:[30]

When we were getting very close to releasing Half-Life (less than a week or so), we found there were already some projects that we needed to start working on, but we couldn't risk checking in code to the shipping version of the game. At that point we forked off the code in VSS to be both $/Goldsrc and /$Src. Over the next few years, we used these terms internally as "Goldsource" and "Source". At least initially, the Goldsrc branch of code referred to the codebase that was currently released, and Src referred to the next set of more risky technology that we were working on. When it came down to show Half-Life 2 for the first time at E3, it was part of our internal communication to refer to the "Source" engine vs. the "Goldsource" engine, and the name stuck.

Source was developed part-by-part from this fork onwards, slowly replacing GoldSrc in Valve's internal projects[31] and explaining in part the reasons behind its unusually modular nature. Valve's development of Source since has been a mixture of licensed middleware (Havok Physics, albeit heavily modified, and MP3 playback) and in-house-developed code.

and now jeryyk, you may begin your arguments about why your belief is more correct than mine.. however i must warn you that i could give a rats ass about them... beliefs, that is

Viktor King wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 12:57:
I'm confused, honestly. I thought the whole point of the idSoft buy/merge and subsequent lock-down of licensing/publishing of idTech 5 games was that ZeniMax wanted to leverage Carmack's technically superior engines to make ZeniMax a bigger player.

The 64hz off-timing of the GameBryo engine (apparently doing so well after '350 games' that it's for sale) is not a deal-breaker, but when Unreal 3 is everywhere and Rage demonstrates that idTech 5 is more than capable of the expansive environments that are a staple of Elder Scrolls, I'm wondering why this isn't the plan to begin with.

John Carmack commented on his blog in 2004 that "there are still bits of early Quake code in Half-Life 2".

Jerykk wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 12:21:
Where'd you read that?

Source distantly originates from the GoldSrc engine, itself a heavily modified version of the QuakeWorld iteration of John D. Carmack's Quake engine, as is explained by Valve employee Erik Johnson on the Valve Developer Community:[30]

When we were getting very close to releasing Half-Life (less than a week or so), we found there were already some projects that we needed to start working on, but we couldn't risk checking in code to the shipping version of the game. At that point we forked off the code in VSS to be both $/Goldsrc and /$Src. Over the next few years, we used these terms internally as "Goldsource" and "Source". At least initially, the Goldsrc branch of code referred to the codebase that was currently released, and Src referred to the next set of more risky technology that we were working on. When it came down to show Half-Life 2 for the first time at E3, it was part of our internal communication to refer to the "Source" engine vs. the "Goldsource" engine, and the name stuck.

Source was developed part-by-part from this fork onwards, slowly replacing GoldSrc in Valve's internal projects[31] and explaining in part the reasons behind its unusually modular nature. Valve's development of Source since has been a mixture of licensed middleware (Havok Physics, albeit heavily modified, and MP3 playback) and in-house-developed code.

valve built HL2 using a highly modified quake 1 engine.. it looked good but wasnt technically "new" either - doesnt seem like it matters what they call it if the engine works well or doesnt work well

RollinThundr wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 10:25:
I was under the impression they were still using Gamebryo just extremely modified. Not sure how that equates to being called a "new" engine by any means.

RollinThundr wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 10:25:
I was under the impression they were still using Gamebryo just extremely modified. Not sure how that equates to being called a "new" engine by any means.

justice7 wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 10:13:

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 10:07:
I wonder if it will be Fallout 4... nah, that's crazy talk! It will be such a surprise if it is Fallout 4!

Not really, kinda expected.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 25, 2011, 10:07:
I wonder if it will be Fallout 4... nah, that's crazy talk! It will be such a surprise if it is Fallout 4!