jimnms wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 19:11:
Then to break things that worked fine before the patch, and somehow this doesn't get noticed by QA is completely unacceptable. The bug with Boone, which no one can honestly tell me they don't have, is caused by a script error which causes him to go into a loop. It is only noticeable when you're in combat. It causes him to drop out combat, holster his weapon and then re-engage every 5 seconds when the script loops. The person who discovered and uploaded the fix to the NV Nexus found the error in the script and fixed it by adding two semicolons to comment out the lines causing the loop.

DG wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 17:30:
NV is probably the buggiest game I can remember seeing through. It CTD, which in one full-day session happened 4 times, about equal to my combined total CTD on this PC, which I built about the time SP1 was released for Vista almost 2 years ago.

By far most bugs though are in no way related to possible PC issues, and go right down to little things like the constant muttering of "I can't believe Primm wimped out and accepted NCR rule" when I instilled Meyers. I find it hard to imagine anyone paying attention isn't seeing a lot of bugs in even a short session.

I'd find it really easy to throw major criticism after major criticism at the game, the bugs, crappy combat, weak RPG elements, most importantly how uninspired most of it is... But actually for all the time you'll be sitting there having ideas for the game that very likely actually are better than many of those in the game, it does have it's moments and the other 100+ hours are in truth reasonably satisfying.

TurdFergasun wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 18:23:
yes dismissing other ppl poor experiences because you have too much ego invested in a game someone else has made is a totally rational argument. why would ppl have bugs on a game you like? how dare they, they must be terrorists or some other ist that doesn't allign to your tastes.

DG wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 17:30:
NV is probably the buggiest game I can remember seeing through. It CTD, which in one full-day session happened 4 times, about equal to my combined total CTD on this PC, which I built about the time SP1 was released for Vista almost 2 years ago.

By far most bugs though are in no way related to possible PC issues, and go right down to little things like the constant muttering of "I can't believe Primm wimped out and accepted NCR rule" when I instilled Meyers. I find it hard to imagine anyone paying attention isn't seeing a lot of bugs in even a short session.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 15:26:

jimnms wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 14:19:
Fix the damn game first. This last patch seems to have broken more than it fixed. I thought his last patch was supposed to have been tested extensively since it had to pass QC before being released on the XBox? I had not run into any game breaking problems with New Vegas (well there is the Ultra Luxe bath house) until the last patch came out and broke Boone, who is my current companion. How the fuck did they miss that in testing?

Was FO3 this bad before and during patches? I didn't play FO3 until after the last bug fix patch (I'm not counting the patches that added DLC support).

I haven't finished my first play through of NV yet. I was taking my time, doing lots of side quests and exploring everything along the way. I guess that could be why I hadn't run into many bugs, since I haven't progressed far into the main story. I did run into a few broken quests, for which there are user made fixes at the Nexus site. After the last patch, I disabled those fixes to see if they were fixed in the patch, and they aren't.

After the patch, besides Boone being fucked up, other companions kept randomly teleporting to my location after being told to wait. When just walking out in the Wasteland, ED-E kept teleporting in front of me. I could hear him buzzing behind me while walking/running, then all of the sudden he'd just appear right in front of me.

There are user made fixes for the problems introduced with the last patch and I could keep playing using these user made fixes, but it just killed my desire to continue. I'd be pissed to continue playing with these user made fixes to have problems later on if/when they get officially patched and it breaks my game causing me to have to start over.

I honestly haven't had any of those issues, or any other issues, since the day the game came out. New Vegas has been stable and bug-free for me all along.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 15:26:
I honestly haven't had any of those issues, or any other issues, since the day the game came out. New Vegas has been stable and bug-free for me all along.

At least in my case I know one of the reasons: the combat is so ... freaking ... boring. I have the difficulty on the hardest level and it's still just dull. Every battle is EXACTLY the same thing. I even tried melee just to switch it up a bit. No difference. Sure turning up the difficulty made it so that I would (very occasionally) actually die, but that didn't change the mechanics of anything.

jimnms wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 14:19:
Fix the damn game first. This last patch seems to have broken more than it fixed. I thought his last patch was supposed to have been tested extensively since it had to pass QC before being released on the XBox? I had not run into any game breaking problems with New Vegas (well there is the Ultra Luxe bath house) until the last patch came out and broke Boone, who is my current companion. How the fuck did they miss that in testing?

Was FO3 this bad before and during patches? I didn't play FO3 until after the last bug fix patch (I'm not counting the patches that added DLC support).

I haven't finished my first play through of NV yet. I was taking my time, doing lots of side quests and exploring everything along the way. I guess that could be why I hadn't run into many bugs, since I haven't progressed far into the main story. I did run into a few broken quests, for which there are user made fixes at the Nexus site. After the last patch, I disabled those fixes to see if they were fixed in the patch, and they aren't.

After the patch, besides Boone being fucked up, other companions kept randomly teleporting to my location after being told to wait. When just walking out in the Wasteland, ED-E kept teleporting in front of me. I could hear him buzzing behind me while walking/running, then all of the sudden he'd just appear right in front of me.

There are user made fixes for the problems introduced with the last patch and I could keep playing using these user made fixes, but it just killed my desire to continue. I'd be pissed to continue playing with these user made fixes to have problems later on if/when they get officially patched and it breaks my game causing me to have to start over.

Dunkirk wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 15:02:
I just don't enjoy NV as much as I did 3. That bothers me. I recognize the qualities of NV that make it more true to the original(s), and I've wanted to like it more. I kept noodling on this, and it finally dawned on me: There's not enough combat in NV to keep me interested. (What can I say? I actually liked Tactics.)

Look at the situation with buildings. In NV, for what (non-storyline-related) locations there are, you get a room or two. There might be a couple of items worth scavenging. In 3, there are very detailed buildings and tunnels, all over the map, that have LOADS of enemies, and tons of collectibles.

I played a marathon session a few days ago, and I spent -- literally -- hours managing my inventory to try to actually craft some items (besides weapon repair kits) this time around. It was boring! So I'm actually hoping that any DLC's (that make it to the PC) are actually total combat fests, JUST LIKE Zeta and Broken Steel! Just wanting to throw that out there in case the creators are reading these comments.

JoeNapalm wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 12:20:
I must be ADD, or something. I got about 2/3rds of the way through this back when it was released, and just haven't felt the urge to play it, since.

Maybe it's due to my own actions - I raided an irradiated Vault fairly early into my gameplay, and have been armed to the teeth ever since. Maybe I made it too easy on myself?

Or maybe it's because I'm trying to play a hero, but I don't really LIKE any of the factions, so I'd just as soon shoot everyone and let the coyotes sort 'em out...

*sigh*

Or...it could be that I had my fill of FO3, even though I liked the first one.

I dunno, I refuse to feel guilty - plenty of games still DEMAND my attention, so I can't be bothered with those that I merely feel like I SHOULD play.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 13:40:
I fucking hated Operation Anchorage and Mothership Zeta for being entirely combat focused and poorly designed anyway. Broken Steel also had too much damn combat and ruined character balance by adding 10 levels, but I still use it for the added quests, which aren't bad.

Verno wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 11:21:
It's the typical FO3 style DLC, different closed map with a ho-hum presentation and they take away all of your items. It's like playing The Pitt but at least The Pitt has decent atmosphere. Save your money, I loved FO:NV too and the DLC doesn't do it justice.

Silicon Avatar wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 12:20:
Dodging the question like that sounds suspiciously like a contractual blackout period.

We like to do a good job of that

Jerykk wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 12:22:
1) Raise the difficulty to Very Hard.
2) Play on Hardcore mode.
3) Download mods that make the game harder.

I did all three. Makes for a much more challenging and interesting experience.

Verno wrote on Jan 24, 2011, 10:44:
Dead Money was utter tripe so the lack of it on the PC ended up saving me money. I think my post-release FO:NV lovefest I probably would have just bought it without thinking. Anyway still enjoying another Vegas playthrough but I hope they get their act together on the DLC.