Jerykk wrote on Jan 22, 2011, 22:13:
Isn't The Witcher considered an RPG?

Dirwulf wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 23:27:

Draugr wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 22:50:

Dirwulf wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 21:53:

TurdFergasun wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 21:46:
you seem pretty eager to convince ppl of your great endeavours, although ruffling your feathers and puffing your cheast is quite an attractive quality of the human animal. i'm sure deep down inside your monetary wealth has brought you deep hapiness that would have otherwise been unattainable without selling your creative soul.

Yeah, I've definitely sold my soul by working at Blizzard...

If I recall, it was you who was saying that a devs primary is/should be concerned with the bottom line.
If you would like to use yourself/your career as an example as why that isn't the case though, I guess you're welcome to help defeat your own argument.

Which is to say (at the risk of being presumptious,) you have a job you like making games you enjoy/are proud of, and you well to do, financially speaking. So even though you're doing alright for yourself, Your not worried about job hunting for something that might pay more.

I can't stand Farmville. I do like a few beer and pretzel games, which I would call casual. All I'm pointing out is that making games is a business. Especially if you have stockholders to deal with.

Casual games are a great way to make money, especially the kind you find on Facebook that deal in microtransactions. People don't think twice about spending a few dollars here and there. 63 million + users times a few dollars each. I don't think I need to do the math for you. Of course, not all those people are buying Farmville cash, but hey, there are 20 more games like it on Facebook.

To ignore casual gamers could potentially be a bad move. That is if you want to be a billionaire. I'm sure Cliff at Positech is doing just fine. That said, I seriously doubt the PC Gaming Alliance "read between the lines" necessarily equates to them embracing casual games, but if it does, I have no problem with that.

Hardcore gamers tend to forget that they may be the loudest, but they are in the minority.

Dirwulf wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 17:06:
Making games is a business, not a sport, or something you do for fun.

If you want to make money, you need to find the biggest audience.

That means casual games.

As a hardcore gamer, a game developer and a captalist pig, I have no problem with this.

StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 22, 2011, 08:14:

Dirwulf wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 23:27:
Hardcore gamers tend to forget that they may be the loudest, but they are in the minority.

I don't think rational hardcore gamers are confused on that point, we know that. At the same time though switching from making creative and contained works of art to making services that are designed from the ground up to make money from compulsive people, rather than be good games or artistic in any way, is basically the old "selling out" cliche.

You're obviously more focused on "how do I make money from games?" rather than "how do I make great games?" That's fine, you're probably in the majority, but as players we don't care... we want real games and people are either going to make them or they aren't. If they aren't, well, we're going to bitch about it, as anyone would do when their hobby is being weakened.

Dirwulf wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 23:27:
Hardcore gamers tend to forget that they may be the loudest, but they are in the minority.

Acleacius wrote on Jan 22, 2011, 03:06:
Nothing these guys can do for REAL PC gaming. They would have to expose m$ and their most likely illegal trade practices. m$ have continually undermined the whole gaming industry in an attempt to make a substandard platform a priority development over more sophisticated and superior PC systems.

kxmode wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 18:35:

Paketep wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 17:57:
Years of the PCGA can be summed up in 3 words: blah blah blah

That's a little redundant.

Acleacius wrote on Jan 22, 2011, 03:06:
Nothing these guys can do for REAL PC gaming. They would have to expose m$ and their most likely illegal trade practices. m$ have continually undermined the whole gaming industry in an attempt to make a substandard platform a priority development over more sophisticated and superior PC systems.

And let's don't even get started on drm, console systems are the biggest piracy industry in the gaming world, no competition. Yet the PC is blamed for more, so why the industry wide lie?

I wonder who profits from PC drm? drm makers for sure...oh wonder if m$ profits by hiding the fact consoles are the biggest piracy industry?

Draugr wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 22:50:

Dirwulf wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 21:53:

TurdFergasun wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 21:46:
you seem pretty eager to convince ppl of your great endeavours, although ruffling your feathers and puffing your cheast is quite an attractive quality of the human animal. i'm sure deep down inside your monetary wealth has brought you deep hapiness that would have otherwise been unattainable without selling your creative soul.

Yeah, I've definitely sold my soul by working at Blizzard...

If I recall, it was you who was saying that a devs primary is/should be concerned with the bottom line.
If you would like to use yourself/your career as an example as why that isn't the case though, I guess you're welcome to help defeat your own argument.

Which is to say (at the risk of being presumptious,) you have a job you like making games you enjoy/are proud of, and you well to do, financially speaking. So even though you're doing alright for yourself, Your not worried about job hunting for something that might pay more.

Beamer wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 22:29:
Kudos to Jeff for outting himself (although his name was in his profile and googling him led to his IMDB page.) Many of us aren't willing to do so if we don't have authority and/or aren't our own boss.


Any chance you know David Wang? He's a producer at Blizzard that helped me get an brand manager interview a ways back but I'd already accepted another job by the time it came through.

Verno wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 18:44:
A big start for these guys would be doing anything at all other than press jerkoff sessions.

Dirwulf wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 21:53:

TurdFergasun wrote on Jan 21, 2011, 21:46:
you seem pretty eager to convince ppl of your great endeavours, although ruffling your feathers and puffing your cheast is quite an attractive quality of the human animal. i'm sure deep down inside your monetary wealth has brought you deep hapiness that would have otherwise been unattainable without selling your creative soul.

Yeah, I've definitely sold my soul by working at Blizzard...