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CliffyB on No PC Bulletstorm Demo

We still haven't heard back from Mark Rein about the lack of plans for a Windows Bulletstorm demo, but Epic's Cliff Bleszinski tweets his feelings on the subject, which don't seem overly concerned: "BULLETSTORM DEMO COMING TO 360/PS3 JANUARY 25th. In other news, PC gamers are grumpy about this." Thanks BeyondUnreal.

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94. Re: CliffyB on No PC Bulletstorm Demo Jan 17, 2011, 19:07 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 17, 2011, 18:40:
A profit isn't a profit. If I say I'm going to dedicate my entire company of 100 people to a project that I project will guarantee 1 million dollars profit and you say you're going to dedicate the entire team to a project that has a 10% chance of 0 profit and a 90% chance of 10 million profit which of us is a better leader?
ROI is really what matters. You have finite resources and need to figure out how to allocate them. You don't mindlessly put them wherever you think you'll find profit but put them where you'll get the most profit. ROI is a much more valuable metric than merely profit.

A profit is a profit, because by being a profit it means the project was completed, was successful, sold and sold above break even numbers. So, a profit is a profit. There isn't profit in something that's not completed. Bulletstorm is completed, the port is easy and not costly. The ROI on the PC would be tremendous comparatively to the cost of porting, would be until CliffyB opened his mouth.

You're throwing ROI and assuming a project may or may not be finished, I am assuming the project is done and released for consoles. Therefore, a port to the PC, a good one, will generate profit. And all they had to do was keep their mouths shut.

Beamer wrote on Jan 17, 2011, 18:40:
your industry isn't suffering the worst slump in 20 years

Again, historically this isn't unexpected.
Regardless, 2011 will be Epic's biggest year to date. Bulletstorm and Gears of War 3 will explode.

GoW3 will be the Epic title to mark the year. Bulletstorm, maybe.

As for historically.... the last time this happened a crash followed suit. This industry is too young to be talking in historical measures. In fact if we are indeed going by history and as I've stated in different threads, the industry today is in the exact same condition as the industry in 78 before it all went down. Too much supply, too much low quality products out, development costs too high, not enough gamers to buy all those projects. So historically... yeah. It's crash time, baby!

Beamer wrote on Jan 17, 2011, 18:40:
That's why people like John Nash, Terry Pratchett, Stephen Hawkins are tremendous assholes!

Didn't you see A Beautiful Mind? John Nash was an asshole! I like that you pick intellectuals, too. My comparison of Motley Crue, Guns N Roses and Bon Jovi was more on target. Also, how many people can pick Nash or Pratchett out of a lineup, or would be able to with Hawkins if he didn't have MD (or is it M$?)
Do you think the fanbases are even connected?

That's why I picked Nash even if he himself admitted the movie didn't portray him well at all. Nash was very peculiar but he was good at his job and never developed an ego. He was good, he knew it but he didn't went around with a foul mouth to boast his penis, something like CliffyB does.

BTW, I think more people would pick Pratchett out of a line than CliffyB, that man is an icon. And he's also not an asshole, especially when he came online before Alzheimer's took most of his movement.

My examples serve a purpose, man and woman who are damn good at their job, and Pratchett belongs to the entertainment business BTW since nowadays it seems literature belongs to the entertainment industry, but who do not let their egos get the best of them. They are good, they are quiet, they are polite. 3 things CliffyB is not, regardless of your notions of marketing.

Beamer wrote on Jan 17, 2011, 18:40:
As I've said, only in the entertainment business and industry does this happen.

But since this [i
s[/i] the entertainment business and industry it does happen and it does do wonders for sales. Everyone hates the Yankees, but guess which team sells the most tickets at away games. Everyone hated Charles Barkely, but how many NBA stars are as successful after retirement? The Weinsteins are notorious dicks but their names get asses in seats.

There was an article not long ago here where I live. The rate of NBA stars who are successful after retirement is very low, many are in fact homeless. The entertainment industry builds things on the basis of fad, and when the fad disappears the people who supported that fad also disappear unless you really are someone very, very special.

CliffyB and game developers in general are not that special. They have a job like the rest of the world and should stick to it. Just because they belong to the entertainment industry does not justify in any way them being jackasses, and it never did for anyone in the entertainment industry. But again we come back to the same problem, gamers are stupid and will eat up any shit its thrown at their way. Thankfully PC gamers are reaching a breaking point where they are so fed up of being dealt shit and being treated like shit and then being treated like shit when complaining about being treated as such. And then you are surprised PC gamers are getting more bitchy? No shit, Sherlock, you would too if you were treated like shit for the past couple of years constantly in the place where you work, or by the companies of one of your hobbies.

Beamer wrote on Jan 17, 2011, 18:40:
Or that CliffyB is justified at being a jackass?

His job is to get attention and sell games.
3 of the top 4 topics on Blues right now are about Bulletstorm. Yes, there are lost sales involved, but we're the outlier there. This topic will hit 100 posts no problem. How many topics do that on Blues these days?

Any publicity is good publicity, huh? Why do I have a feeling Bulletstorm will end up being the most pirated game of 2011 for the PC? How's that for publicity? And more importantly, was it worth it for them to lose a share of the profit pie by being jackasses?

Beamer wrote on Jan 17, 2011, 18:40:
said that the consoles have rampant piracy, as they do?

But they don't. It's small relative to PCs. It's also small relative to used game sales, which is where developers rail.

It's small? When people compare revenue generated by the platforms they always lump the consoles together against the PC but when talking about piracy they treat each platform as separate? We can't have both, either we are treating the PC vs consoles or treating the PC and the consoles as single platforms. If the former, then the Torrentfreak numbers of pirated copies on the consoles, and they didn't add PS3 to those numbers, puts console piracy almost as large as PC piracy. If the latter then PC is one of the most profitable platforms for the majority of the publishers. We can't have both however and people who keep doing the fallacy of lumping consoles when talking about profitability and then separating them when talking of piracy should either choose one or the other. Whatever they choose, they will find that the numbers they generate are almost the same as the numbers the PC generates. And I didn't even add used sales of console games to those numbers above.

Beamer wrote on Jan 17, 2011, 18:40:
And BTW, as a marketing tool he's failing because the console crowd would have bought this game at the same volume regardless of his remarks, the difference is that now the PC crowd who might have bought this as well probably won't now. That's not good marketing.

Console gamers have short memories. He needs to stay fresh in their minds. He's doing so.

Glad to see you telling what console gamers really are. But you will be surprised in knowing that console gamers have no longer that short memory anymore, and it's the reason of the industry slump. Console gamers are also demanding quality and getting fed up of the same crap, slowly but the movement is there.
 
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