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25. Re: PS3 hack Jan 11, 2011, 00:27 Sepharo
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 23:46:
You do newest first?


I guess it makes reading the newest posts easier, but I prefer standard messageboard chronology.

This is the only site I do newest first on (where choice is provided). The weird thing is that when I go to the non-news post forums on Blue's I expect them to be reverse.
 
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24. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 23:46 Beamer
 
You do newest first?


I guess it makes reading the newest posts easier, but I prefer standard messageboard chronology.
 
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23. Re: Morning Consolidation Jan 10, 2011, 22:46 Verno
 
I've already addressed that below in my post. Sony doesn't have a leg to stand on here.  
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22. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 20:57 Beamer
 
No, it doesn't, but that's how I meant it. Sony included a feature. People took advantage of the feature. The feature got removed.

That doesn't sound extremely unreasonable.
I'd also question how many people actually used OtherOS. Extreme hardcore modders and institutions, but it wasn't the widely used feature it's made out to be here. Those that used it, though, bought the system probably almost exclusively for it. Which is further reason why it was no real skin off Sony's back.


If you actually read the article rather than just the headline it goes into some detail on why Sony felt forced to remove it when it became a liability.
 
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21. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 20:41 Sepharo
 
Come on be reasonable. It's obvious how you meant it.

Does that really change the tone? I don't think so

You're right, that doesn't change the tone
 
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20. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 20:37 Beamer
 
Sepharo, how is this?

"Yup.
Sony included OtherOS as a feature.
The community took this and hacked the PS3. So Sony took it away.

Is that really a surprise?"



Does that really change the tone? I don't think so.
Christ, can you guys point to any other time I've implied Sony is anything other than stupid?
 
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19. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 20:30 Creston
 
Shok wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 16:08:
Creston wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 13:15:
Verno wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 10:14:
They should have just left Linux on the thing.

That's actually what makes me just laugh at the whole thing. Sony wanted to be fucking jackasses by removing a feature that probably HELPED sell their console quite a bit, and so now their entire console is just raped.

I hope someone makes a firmware that allows for backward compatibility with the old titles again. (Likely it won't work for all of them, but hey, even some would be good.)

Stupid, stupid Sony. Maybe next time when you offer a well-liked feature, you'll think twice about just removing it on a whim, for basically no reason whatsoever? Morons.

Creston

This article actually has some comments worth reading, like this one from SimonStr:

Also waiting for the rabid "told you so" brigade, who will pretend this only happened because Sony removed OtherOS.

They have conveniently rewritten history, as Sony only removed OtherOS, BECAUSE Geohot hacked the hypervisor...

Fair enough, but it doesn't negate the fact that:

- OtherOS was a highly hyped feature that they used to sell the console.
- They removed it without any form of compensation to their customers.
- Because of it, they invited a shitstorm of hacking down on them. FailOver basically stated as much.

The initial hack was probably a nasty surprise to Sony, but in hindsight, I'm sure they'd much rather go back to the day when that was all they had to worry about. In reality, that initial exploit wasn't all THAT much to worry about. What they have now is complete and total failure of their entire console security infrastructure.

So it's still a stupid decision.

I think the best thing for Sony to do now is to just start building the PS4 and get that on the market. And fire all their security engineers.

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18. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 20:01 Sepharo
 
Verno wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 19:44:
You presented it as if it were some gift from humble Sony and abused by the community when the reality is totally different.

Nah man...
Yup.
Sony gave the community OtherOS.
The community took this and hacked the PS3. So Sony took it away.

Is that really a surprise?
The tone of this is totally not like that at all.
 
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17. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 19:44 Verno
 
You presented it as if it were some gift from humble Sony and abused by the community when the reality is totally different.  
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16. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 19:30 Sepharo
 
lol  
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15. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 19:29 Beamer
 
I don't get how else it could be meant...  
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14. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 19:15 Verno
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 18:52:
Sony didn't "give" anyone anything. They included support for OtherOS, it was a feature.

Which is kind of giving. That's how I meant it; a synonym for including.

Yeah, I'm sure that's how you meant it Rolleyes
 
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13. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 18:52 Beamer
 
Sony didn't "give" anyone anything. They included support for OtherOS, it was a feature.

Which is kind of giving. That's how I meant it; a synonym for including.
 
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12. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 17:55 Verno
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 17:20:
They have conveniently rewritten history, as Sony only removed OtherOS, BECAUSE Geohot hacked the hypervisor...

Yup.
Sony gave the community OtherOS.
The community took this and hacked the PS3. So Sony took it away.

Is that really a surprise?

You know a thing or two about playing revisionist history yourself it appears based on that loaded bullshit. Sony didn't "give" anyone anything. They included support for OtherOS, it was a feature. They even marketed it as part of their home computer/entertainment center crap years ago. ONE PERSON made a proof of concept exploit which did not even result in piracy and it could have been patched through software easily. He didn't even manage to fully get through Cell's various security layers, IBM wasn't exactly lax with its TPM system. Sony totally overreacted and removed OtherOS entirely which has resulted in the hacking community actually taking notice now because what was once an "open" system became closed and that goes against their culture. And where did the eventual unsigned application access come from then? Surely an unpatched OtherOS system. No, it was using an exploit involving Sony's own service mode for the system and had nothing to do with OtherOS.

The fact remains that OtherOS was in there for 4 years and only when it was taken away was the system seriously looked at by the hacking community who were all too happy to crack the Wii and 360 long ago. If I found a way to exploit the packing of PSN apps to disguise commercial games I wouldn't expect them to take down PSN but instead patch the fucking problem. They also removed functionality from a bought and paid for system, a big fucking nono which they are still trying to resolve in court. And don't give me the usual song and dance about "how many people used it?!". They sold them the system and it included the functionality whether they used it or not.

Two wrongs don't make a right as Sony is going to find out the hard way now and just when PS3 software sales were finally starting to reach parity with the 360.

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11. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 17:20 Beamer
 
They have conveniently rewritten history, as Sony only removed OtherOS, BECAUSE Geohot hacked the hypervisor...

Yup.
Sony gave the community OtherOS.
The community took this and hacked the PS3. So Sony took it away.



Is that really a surprise?
 
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10. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 17:13 Halo
 
Everything gets hacked some way or another, I don't see what the big surprise is...  
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9. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 16:55 Prez
 
... the PS3 [is] looking set to become the easiest platform to pirate software for – easier even than the Wii, DS or PSP... all notorious piracy targets but all of which require some degree of technical knowledge to get pirated software working.

It might be somewhat petty of me, but this whole situation just warms my PC game-loving heart!
 
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8. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 16:08 Shok
 
Creston wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 13:15:
Verno wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 10:14:
They should have just left Linux on the thing.

That's actually what makes me just laugh at the whole thing. Sony wanted to be fucking jackasses by removing a feature that probably HELPED sell their console quite a bit, and so now their entire console is just raped.

I hope someone makes a firmware that allows for backward compatibility with the old titles again. (Likely it won't work for all of them, but hey, even some would be good.)

Stupid, stupid Sony. Maybe next time when you offer a well-liked feature, you'll think twice about just removing it on a whim, for basically no reason whatsoever? Morons.

Creston

This article actually has some comments worth reading, like this one from SimonStr:

Also waiting for the rabid "told you so" brigade, who will pretend this only happened because Sony removed OtherOS.

They have conveniently rewritten history, as Sony only removed OtherOS, BECAUSE Geohot hacked the hypervisor...
 
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7. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 14:58 nin
 
L.A. Noire Preview on Games On Net.

Sounds neat, and I'm really looking forward to it, but I hope it doesn't boil down to what the writer describes - of doing a question and then waiting for the idle animation to help you decide, over and over.

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6. Re: PS3 hack Jan 10, 2011, 14:50 JoeNapalm
 
Creston wrote on Jan 10, 2011, 13:15:
Stupid, stupid Sony. Maybe next time when you offer a well-liked feature, you'll think twice about just removing it on a whim, for basically no reason whatsoever? Morons.

Creston


Dude, Planetside taught me many things...and one of them is that Sony is a masochist.

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