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Intel's new second-generation i7 Sandy Bridge CPU "allows for a console-like experience on the PC." -- Valve Managing Director Gabe Newell.

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42. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 9, 2011, 17:12 Dev
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 01:01:
It just seems naive to say this will create some kind of single setup PC standard.
Yeah but intel could easily do it. Instead of putting worthless integrated graphics in, they could put something into integrated with the capability of say as powerful as the crap thats in consoles would work. Something with the capability of a $20 graphics card. It doesn't even have to be dx 10/11, it could be DX9.

Instead all the intel integrated stuff is worth less than a $20 cheap graphics card. My netbook has trouble even with casual games.

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41. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 7, 2011, 05:31 Shadowcat
 
Sandy Bridge is the new 32-nanometer microprocessor that is capable of running tasks hundreds of times faster than any previous generation chip

For example, in Microsoft Excel spreadsheet work, Eden said it is 833 percent faster than the previous generation. For slideshow work, it is 333 percent faster

I refuse to accept information from someone who doesn't comprehend percentages.
 
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40. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 7, 2011, 00:16 Beamer
 
Ignoring that Experience is an axis, why the hell do mp3 and CD have two bars apiece? What idiot thought that was necessary?

Even if it had a legit axis it'd still be a bad graph.
 
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39. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 22:54 Verno
 
Quboid wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 19:11:
Verno wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 06:52:
Reminds me of this old Creative graph which still manages to fucking hilarious to this day.

How have I never seen that before? That's comedy gold!

It's legit too, it's from a Creative marketing kit. I find it in my "LOL" pictures once in awhile and it's always good for a laugh. Also kind of sad how that company destroyed the addin sound market but oh well.
 
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38. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 19:11 Quboid
 
Verno wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 06:52:
Reminds me of this old Creative graph which still manages to fucking hilarious to this day.

How have I never seen that before? That's comedy gold!
 
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37. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 16:14 PHJF
 
No, it isn't. The integrated GPU on sandy bridge is quite capable. It's not a hardcore gamer solution but it's good enough to play on low/medium settings on modern titles to get around 30fps or so (the 3000 variant). IMO, it's a big deal. But it's not hundreds of times faster than anything previously available (pinky to mouth).

Do you know how long it takes companies like Dell to adopt new hardware? The average consumer-grade PC won't have a Sandy Bridge processor in it STANDARD for at least a year. In a year, when every person with a new computer has this integrated GPU, they still won't be able to play anything for shit, because minimum requirements are constantly, steadily rising.

Sandy Bridge GPU is geared for one function, and that is video editing/playback.
 
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36. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 15:16 Beamer
 
In three years time, the integrated GPUs on these things will be beyond horribly outdated again already.

Though true, it's the standardization that matters as much.

Right now you need to worry about so many different CPU and GPU combinations.

For every CPU you know exactly what the bare minimum graphics are.
 
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35. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 13:47 Sepharo
 
"allows for a console-like experience on the PC" - for those who've never considered their PC capable of playing games.  
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34. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 11:59 Creston
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 10:13:

AMD is working on a similar platform so eventually most consumer CPUs will hopefully contain a GPU on chip. I assume that's his logic anyhow. It ignores the fact that trickle down takes years, as evidenced by the Steam hardware surveys over the past few years.

Well, assume that every decent chip made by the middle of this year has a mostly-standardized on-board GPU.
By 3 years max you can assume everyone either has it or doesn't have a CPU powerful enough to run modern games anyway.

In three years time, the integrated GPUs on these things will be beyond horribly outdated again already.

It makes no difference whether the integrated chipset is on the motherboard or on the CPU. It's never going to be a powerful enough GPU, because if it was, the price of the processor would skyrocket (Meaning nobody would buy it), and because it's integrated, it can never be updated.

I wish hardware manufacturers would realize that integration is NOT a fucking solution to anything.

Also, Gabe, very unfortunate quote there.

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33. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 10:33 Verno
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 10:13:

AMD is working on a similar platform so eventually most consumer CPUs will hopefully contain a GPU on chip. I assume that's his logic anyhow. It ignores the fact that trickle down takes years, as evidenced by the Steam hardware surveys over the past few years.

Well, assume that every decent chip made by the middle of this year has a mostly-standardized on-board GPU.
By 3 years max you can assume everyone either has it or doesn't have a CPU powerful enough to run modern games anyway.

Modern games will have a different definition going forward is the problem with your assumption. Particularly with the advent of new console hardware that is due in that period. In general though having any form of target is better than none to be sure. As usual, the problem with the PC is that it's a shifting target.
 
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32. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 10:13 Beamer
 

AMD is working on a similar platform so eventually most consumer CPUs will hopefully contain a GPU on chip. I assume that's his logic anyhow. It ignores the fact that trickle down takes years, as evidenced by the Steam hardware surveys over the past few years.

Well, assume that every decent chip made by the middle of this year has a mostly-standardized on-board GPU.
By 3 years max you can assume everyone either has it or doesn't have a CPU powerful enough to run modern games anyway.
 
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31. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 10:11 Beamer
 
What automatically makes this the lowest graphics platform that developers should code for? Is Intel sending a free CPU to everyone using something lesser?

Nothing today.
But Gabe's quote isn't about what's going on today, it's about the path this moves computing down.
 
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30. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 08:40 Verno
 
AMD is working on a similar platform so eventually most consumer CPUs will hopefully contain a GPU on chip. I assume that's his logic anyhow. It ignores the fact that trickle down takes years, as evidenced by the Steam hardware surveys over the past few years.  
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29. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 08:32 zirik
 
you guys seen the heatsink of this CPU? its huge! wonder why intel wont go with water cooling instead. there are a lot of closed system water cooling that are easy to install.  
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28. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 08:22  Blue 
 
Beamer wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 08:11:
Knowing that this is the absolute lowest you need to code for is a very nice thing.

What automatically makes this the lowest graphics platform that developers should code for? Is Intel sending a free CPU to everyone using something lesser?
 
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27. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 08:11 Beamer
 
You guys have read the reviews of these chips, right?


They're ridiculous. They blow away anything Intel already had in the >$200 range, which already blew away anything AMD had in the >$200 range.

As for the on-chip GPU, yes it's slow. But it's still much better than what's already on motherboards. As mentioned, it can play most modern games on low settings @ 30fps. Knowing that this is the absolute lowest you need to code for is a very nice thing.
 
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26. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 06:52 Verno
 
DG wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 06:37:
For example, in Microsoft Excel spreadsheet work, Eden said it is 833 percent faster than the previous generation. For slideshow work, it is 333 percent faster
OMG WOW!

Reminds me of this old Creative graph which still manages to fucking hilarious to this day.
 
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25. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 06:37 DG
 
For example, in Microsoft Excel spreadsheet work, Eden said it is 833 percent faster than the previous generation. For slideshow work, it is 333 percent faster
OMG WOW!
 
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24. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 06:12 LittleMe
 
Sepharo wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 01:09:
PHJF wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 01:00:
The integrated video on Sandy Bridge is no better than the integrated video everybody's motherboards already has. It's still beyond worthless to anyone even considering playing a modern video game.

Is that so?

No, it isn't. The integrated GPU on sandy bridge is quite capable. It's not a hardcore gamer solution but it's good enough to play on low/medium settings on modern titles to get around 30fps or so (the 3000 variant). IMO, it's a big deal. But it's not hundreds of times faster than anything previously available (pinky to mouth).

IMO, Intel should have made the gpu core bigger on the new Quad cores and then dropped a CPU core to make the chip more balanced for gaming. Or at least, offered that option.

 
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23. Re: Quote of the Day Jan 6, 2011, 06:09 LittleMe
 
DangerDog wrote on Jan 6, 2011, 01:42:
Also, isn't this integrated graphics from Intel not even DirectX 11 capable?

DirectX 11 is backwards compatible with DX10. There are, however, some features that are exclusive to DX11. But still, you can play a DX11 game on DX10 hardware.
 
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