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39. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 15, 2010, 13:25 Verno
 
No, this conversation started directly due to people claiming that mobiles will never replace [gaming] PCs.

Fixed. That future is far from decided despite what you claim. Mobile devices in general will probably be so different from their current iteration when that happens that the distinction right now isn't really meaningful. This discussion is about the context in gaming, not Beamers observations on what the Facebook crowd will do. They could use a device powered by something barely more powerful than my G19 and be fine, they're outside the scope here.

It's simplified but fine. The whole analogy was thrown out there due to your post that "of course advancement is slower." Your post could be taken two ways: either defending PCs by saying something unnecessary or contradicting the notion that mobiles will catch up to PCs. I went with the latter.

You posted a vague internet car analogy and I treated it as such. The fact that you view it as "defending PCs" says a lot about your thinking process. I don't really care about platforms, I care about whether my usage scenarios are met adequately. My point was that the future is far from decided at this stage despite your claims about mobile devices "going past" traditional gaming PCs(and heck, consoles too) as they face a number of technological obstacles to which there is no solution in sight. Saying "one day things will be different" isn't dropping some knowledge on us by the way, it's the equivalent of a child saying "videogames will look better in ten years" and looking for a pat on the back. When? How will it occur? Why will people change their usage patterns? All of those little niggling details matter. The explosive growth of laptops was supposed to kill desktops too and yet desktops had sales growth again last year. People tend to make a lot of doom and gloom predictions but for the most part things seem to co-exist well enough. Everyones needs will never be met by a single device and that holds even more true to gaming than any other market.

I don't think the advancement of any market will make gamers suddenly give up habits formed over the course of years and decades. Any speculation beyond that generation isn't really conducive to discussion because no one knows if we will suddenly discover a new power source or what the future will bring that far off. Heck you didn't even address competing handheld consoles which are still ridiculously successful yet still co-exist with other platforms and probably will for the foreseeable future.

You're a good poster, but you often argue with me without arguing at all.

I don't need to take a position to make a statement or refute a claim. You on the other hand bleat a lot of doom and gloom about the PC which makes me wonder why you are so invested in painting it in a negative light or pointing out every potential pitfall it might encounter.

My point is that mobile phones are advancing at such a rate that they'll catch up to PCs in power and the convenience of having your primary computing device on you

Again, primary computing device for most people just plays Angry Birds and checks Facebook. Those people will more than likely be served by dumb terminal streaming devices in the future rather than current smartphones if you really want to get into vague speculation.

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38. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 15, 2010, 11:08 Beamer
 
No offense but you aren't educating anyone here, we know this already.

No, this conversation started directly due to people claiming that mobiles will never replace PCs.

was just pointing out that a silly car analogy doesn't encapsulate it properly.

It's simplified but fine. The whole analogy was thrown out there due to your post that "of course advancement is slower." Your post could be taken two ways: either defending PCs by saying something unnecessary or contradicting the notion that mobiles will catch up to PCs. I went with the latter.

You're also ignoring the fact that the mobile platforms are highly dependent on sub-industries that traditionally build out and support computer platforms anyways.

"Traditionally" is your key term there. The current smartphone industry is too new to be looked at historically.

Major technological advancements in any form of personal computing will probably be shared by all platforms at this point anyhow which is already happening, even in your example

Der.
This is in NO way contradicting anything I'm saying. If anything it's supporting it.




You're a good poster, but you often argue with me without arguing at all. My point is that mobile phones are advancing at such a rate that they'll catch up to PCs in power and the convenience of having your primary computing device on you at all times will utterly destroy the idea of having a dedicated device you either need to lug around or keep on your desk. Yes, for a while it was nice to split the market up between portable and powerful but the demands for those are quickly diminishing, and as it diminishes R&D will be put into advancements elsewhere.
In what regard do you refute this? Or are you just posting for the sake of posting?
 
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37. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 15, 2010, 10:34 space captain
 
wouldnt it be nice to live in a world thats unrestricted by the physical limitations of matter  
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36. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 15, 2010, 10:22 Verno
 
No offense but you aren't educating anyone here, we know this already. I don't need you to explain anything to me, I was just pointing out that a silly car analogy doesn't encapsulate it properly. You're also ignoring the fact that the mobile platforms are highly dependent on sub-industries that traditionally build out and support computer platforms anyways. Major technological advancements in any form of personal computing will probably be shared by all platforms at this point anyhow which is already happening, even in your example.  
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35. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 15, 2010, 10:08 Beamer
 
Think about it.
Five years ago phones couldn't browse the internet and were running, at best, Brew.


Now they've got 1.5ghz dual core processors.
They're advancing so much faster than PCs it isn't funny. Saying they won't catch up is every bit as ridiculous as the infamous "256kb of RAM should be enough for anyone" quote.
 
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34. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 15, 2010, 10:01 Verno
 
It matters when the head start is an internet car analogy with no practical basis in reality  
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33. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 15, 2010, 09:30 Beamer
 
Likewise with the actual technology, the PC is a mature platform at this point, of course "advancement" is slower but it continues nonetheless.

All true, but it's like a car going 40 and a car going 500. It doesn't matter how much of a head start the first car had before too much time the second car is going to catch up.
 
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32. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 15, 2010, 07:07 Verno
 
No, but they're advancing far quicker than PCs.

Maybe in marketshare but the only place to go from the bottom is up. Likewise with the actual technology, the PC is a mature platform at this point, of course "advancement" is slower but it continues nonetheless.
 
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31. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 22:32 Sepharo
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 21:30:
Sepharo wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 19:24:
xXBatmanXx wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 19:10:
PHJF wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 16:36:
Oooooo, Heavy Rain is finally $30 on Amazon!

I was going to do a rental on that.....is it worth buying?

I liked it a lot. You have to be a fan of quick time events though. Good story, multiple branches, genuinely interesting.

Well, let me know if I am wrong, but I am fine with those types of games, what really interests me is I talked with 3-4 people who I actually take their gaming opinions into consideration (like a handful around here :)) and each of them were talking about a damn near totally different experience playing the game. Is IT THAT OPEN to how the game plays/progresses? Or was I misunderstanding them?

There are multiple main story branches and small "task" type choices throughout.

MAJOR SPOILERS: http://heavyrain.wikia.com/wiki/Game_Endings

Just quickly scroll-glance through and you'll get an idea.
 
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30. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 22:31 PHJF
 
I haven't played it but I've only ever heard good things and have been waiting for a significant price drop.

Plus it is neither a shooter nor a God of War clone.
 
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29. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 21:30 xXBatmanXx
 
Sepharo wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 19:24:
xXBatmanXx wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 19:10:
PHJF wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 16:36:
Oooooo, Heavy Rain is finally $30 on Amazon!

I was going to do a rental on that.....is it worth buying?

I liked it a lot. You have to be a fan of quick time events though. Good story, multiple branches, genuinely interesting.

Well, let me know if I am wrong, but I am fine with those types of games, what really interests me is I talked with 3-4 people who I actually take their gaming opinions into consideration (like a handful around here :)) and each of them were talking about a damn near totally different experience playing the game. Is IT THAT OPEN to how the game plays/progresses? Or was I misunderstanding them?
 
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28. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 19:31 Beamer
 
And even so, shit, do we really want to just go back 10 years in hardware for our gaming machines?

No, but they're advancing far quicker than PCs.
And since PC advancement is slowing down, in part due to consoles in part due to other devices (tablets, netbooks, ultracheap laptops, phones) they'll eventually merge.

We would be farther if we focused solely on PCs, but we won't because it isn't what enough people want to warrant putting heavy R&D there instead of in mobile.
 
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27. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 19:24 Sepharo
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 19:10:
PHJF wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 16:36:
Oooooo, Heavy Rain is finally $30 on Amazon!

I was going to do a rental on that.....is it worth buying?

I liked it a lot. You have to be a fan of quick time events though. Good story, multiple branches, genuinely interesting.

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26. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 19:10 xXBatmanXx
 
PHJF wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 16:36:
Oooooo, Heavy Rain is finally $30 on Amazon!

I was going to do a rental on that.....is it worth buying?
 
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25. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 18:30 Creston
 
Sepharo wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 18:19:
Creston wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 16:42:
Then again, I never imagined people would migrate to phones for their internet use either, and they have. I guess having to enlarge a screen four times and having to scroll every fifth word is just awesome to people...

Old man Creston doesn't like these new fangled phones.

Your post and this reply fit comfortably at my usual zoom level on my Droid right now. In fact I have everything from "Post Comment" down to smileys, and the sides aren't cut off either popular threads and over to the ad on the right.

I probably spend more time browsing on my phone then I do on my desktop. At work, at lunch, in bed (until I drop it on my nose), at my parent's house, looking up trivia, solving arguments, getting directions and mostly just general news article reading.
To head off, "You're one of those people always on your phone, it's rude to others." I'm not one of those people who pull the phone out in the middle of a conversation or when I should be socially interacting.

You damn kids and your phones nowadays! Get off my lawn!

/hugs his dInc.
//still thinks it's shitty for reading the web.

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24. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 18:19 Sepharo
 
Creston wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 16:42:
Then again, I never imagined people would migrate to phones for their internet use either, and they have. I guess having to enlarge a screen four times and having to scroll every fifth word is just awesome to people...

Old man Creston doesn't like these new fangled phones.

Your post and this reply fit comfortably at my usual zoom level on my Droid right now. In fact I have everything from "Post Comment" down to smileys, and the sides aren't cut off either popular threads and over to the ad on the right.

I probably spend more time browsing on my phone then I do on my desktop. At work, at lunch, in bed (until I drop it on my nose), at my parent's house, looking up trivia, solving arguments, getting directions and mostly just general news article reading.
To head off, "You're one of those people always on your phone, it's rude to others." I'm not one of those people who pull the phone out in the middle of a conversation or when I should be socially interacting.
 
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23. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 18:06 Creston
 
Oh, okay, that might work, yeah. Battery life is really going to be the biggest thing to stop cellphones from really taking off.

And even so, shit, do we really want to just go back 10 years in hardware for our gaming machines?

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22. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 17:43 Beamer
 
the idea that people would buy controllers to play games on a 4 inch screen seems ludicrous to me.

You misunderstand me. I meant they'd have the whole thing hooked up to their HDTVs.

Now if only ChAIR could cram something with deeper gameplay like Shadow Complex with the same intuitive controls that Infinity Blade has *without* having to rely on virtual sticks, they will have my undivided attention on this platform.

Epic announced iPad and iPhone support for UDK today. Big article in today's WSJ. Awesome news because now indies can take those graphics and add their gameplay. Although, for what it's worth, I think Chair did an awesome job. New territory and they approached it in a very novel way rather than do any shoehorning.
 
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21. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 16:42 Creston
 
I like to play the occasional game on my phone well enough (Angry Birds is the shit), but the idea that people would buy controllers to play games on a 4 inch screen seems ludicrous to me.

Then again, I never imagined people would migrate to phones for their internet use either, and they have. I guess having to enlarge a screen four times and having to scroll every fifth word is just awesome to people...

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20. Re: Morning Consolidation Dec 14, 2010, 16:38 Vulkan
 
Beamer wrote on Dec 14, 2010, 14:31:
Infinity Blade looks vastly better than what most people's laptops can do.

Glad I'm not the only one that was floored by how great this game looks on a 4th generation iThing, it really is something else. It's always great when a developer sets a new bar for everyone else to reach.

Now if only ChAIR could cram something with deeper gameplay like Shadow Complex with the same intuitive controls that Infinity Blade has *without* having to rely on virtual sticks, they will have my undivided attention on this platform.
 
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