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Re: Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 11:30 |
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DG wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 08:01:
Ant wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 01:19:
OK, let's talk about current, newest games. Which is better? AMD or Intel CPU  Stop thinking that the brand is the most important thing. It's not important, it doesn't even matter.
Figure out how much you want to spend, price up some options then hit up some benchmarks to see what specific CPU is fastest for that amount of money.
I dunno why some people [edit: not referring to anyone in particular] insist on trying to turn PC hardware into some Xbox vs PS3 type fanboy shit. Have they bought shares or are they just total suckers?
P.s. surprised your Linux system is slow, I have Ubuntu on a box 'o bits with a AMD 3700+ (with 2gb very fast Mushkin) that flies. Well, I do use Compiz, compile, hog CPU a lot, etc. When CPU is 100%, man my box is super slow when multi-tasking.  |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 23, 2010, 11:24 |
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The 460 and 6850 are the new bang for buck options.
Oops, yeah, meant to say I have the 460. But less RAM. The Sparkle with less RAM was $50 (or 25%) cheaper.
And your example was terrible, price to performance value means weighing options based on application requirements and resolution/details.
No, that's what my example proved. People here are saying AMD wins the price to performance ratio. I'm trying to say they shouldn't automatically be given that. Yeah, you get more performance for what you pay, but that's on the low end. Once you move to mid range that changes, and I don't care what people here say buying low end if your price range is mid range you're making a mistake.
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Re: Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 08:01 |
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Ant wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 01:19:
OK, let's talk about current, newest games. Which is better? AMD or Intel CPU Stop thinking that the brand is the most important thing. It's not important, it doesn't even matter.
Figure out how much you want to spend, price up some options then hit up some benchmarks to see what specific CPU is fastest for that amount of money.
I dunno why some people [edit: not referring to anyone in particular] insist on trying to turn PC hardware into some Xbox vs PS3 type fanboy shit. Have they bought shares or are they just total suckers?
P.s. surprised your Linux system is slow, I have Ubuntu on a box 'o bits with a AMD 3700+ (with 2gb very fast Mushkin) that flies.
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Re: Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 03:27 |
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Jerykk wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 03:25:
You said you have a 4870. Just get a second one if it's cheaper for you and run them in Crossfire. That is what I have and there isn't a game I haven't been able to run in 1920x1080 on this monitor.
The problem with Crossfire is that ATI's driver support sucks and a lot of games either don't support CF or they actually run worse with it on. For example, Darksiders runs worse in CF and even though these new drivers supposedly add a CF profile for it, all that does is disable CF in the game. Pretty damn lame. Similarly, Fallout: New Vegas (and FO3 and Oblivion) have lots of issues in Crossfire with spastic HDR and antialiasing that randomly turns off. I have no plans to get SLI/Crossfire. They require too much power and make too much heat (my room can get go up to 90F degrees during the heat waves!).  |
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Re: Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 03:25 |
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You said you have a 4870. Just get a second one if it's cheaper for you and run them in Crossfire. That is what I have and there isn't a game I haven't been able to run in 1920x1080 on this monitor.
The problem with Crossfire is that ATI's driver support sucks and a lot of games either don't support CF or they actually run worse with it on. For example, Darksiders runs worse in CF and even though these new drivers supposedly add a CF profile for it, all that does is disable CF in the game. Pretty damn lame. Similarly, Fallout: New Vegas (and FO3 and Oblivion) have lots of issues in Crossfire with spastic HDR and antialiasing that randomly turns off. |
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Re: Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 02:12 |
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Drezden wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 02:05:
Ant wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 01:39:
PHJF wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 01:30:
For games your CPU still doesn't do shit.
Like the guy down there said, it's nothing but console ports anymore. Any quad core is more than sufficient. You'd be much better off getting a new GPU. Ah thanks. Maybe I will get a similiar CPU since I need to replace my old box. Single core CPU sucks! I do more gaming (not much these days) anyways. I forgot to mention I play at 1280x1024 resolution would require a new video card too.
You said you have a 4870. Just get a second one if it's cheaper for you and run them in Crossfire. That is what I have and there isn't a game I haven't been able to run in 1920x1080 on this monitor.
Otherwise I'd probably go with a 5870 if I was looking at a new card. But that is me. If you really want to go nuts and can find one you could go for a 5970 4GB... If you can find one... and if you can afford it, haha  Heh. What I am going to do is wait for my 4870 get too old/slow, die, etc. first for the Windows PC. My upcoming Debian/Linux hardware upgrade would get my old NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT. I used to have it as my dual core Athlon 64 X2 939, but my FSP Fortran PSU died and killed the video card, damaged, 512 MB RAM piece, and the CPU so I had to downgrade it. So right now, it is the single core (still works, but just super slow and single core sucks).
I just need to figure out to go AMD or Intel for my faster Windows XP box.  |
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Re: Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 02:05 |
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Ant wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 01:39:
PHJF wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 01:30:
For games your CPU still doesn't do shit.
Like the guy down there said, it's nothing but console ports anymore. Any quad core is more than sufficient. You'd be much better off getting a new GPU. Ah thanks. Maybe I will get a similiar CPU since I need to replace my old box. Single core CPU sucks! I do more gaming (not much these days) anyways. I forgot to mention I play at 1280x1024 resolution would require a new video card too.
You said you have a 4870. Just get a second one if it's cheaper for you and run them in Crossfire. That is what I have and there isn't a game I haven't been able to run in 1920x1080 on this monitor.
Otherwise I'd probably go with a 5870 if I was looking at a new card. But that is me. If you really want to go nuts and can find one you could go for a 5970 4GB... If you can find one... and if you can afford it, haha |
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Re: Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 01:39 |
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PHJF wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 01:30:
For games your CPU still doesn't do shit.
Like the guy down there said, it's nothing but console ports anymore. Any quad core is more than sufficient. You'd be much better off getting a new GPU. Ah thanks. Maybe I will get a similiar CPU since I need to replace my old box. Single core CPU sucks! I do more gaming (not much these days) anyways. I forgot to mention I play at 1280x1024 resolution would require a new video card too. |
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Re: Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 01:30 |
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For games your CPU still doesn't do shit.
Like the guy down there said, it's nothing but console ports anymore. Any quad core is more than sufficient. You'd be much better off getting a new GPU. |
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Games... |
Oct 23, 2010, 01:19 |
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Drezden wrote on Oct 23, 2010, 01:12:
bhcompy wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 17:01:
kxmode wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 15:59:
Drezden wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 15:50:
kxmode wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 15:40:
Would an AMD/ATI combo system be less expensive but just as good as a Intel/nVidia combo?
Yes.
Don't let retarded morons like Grounded scare you away from AMD. They make quality chips and quality cards.
I haven't owned an Intel or Nvidia product in 10 years. And will continue to never own one of their products as long as AMD is available. Had nothing but problems with both companies. Never an issue with AMD/ATI.
How is AMD/ATI with Photoshop, Flash and Firefox?
First, the price per performance ratio for AMD/ATI is better than Intel/nV or Intel/ATI. If you want the top performance, sure, you look at Intel for the processor, but you pay a lot more per unit of performance and the diminishing returns aren't worth it as far as gaming is concerned(might be worth it for multimedia processing depending on your use).
Second, I've had no problem with my new AMD/ATI box regarding Photoshop, Flash, or Firefox(running Win7 64b). I recently upgraded from a 3200+ and an nV 7900GS AGP
What this guy said. I've never had a problem with Firefox, Flash or Photoshop running Win7 64bit. And I still run a Phenom II 940 Deneb BE (3.0ghz Quad Core). Runs just as good overclocked as any of my friends I7's they bought at the same time period (about a year and a half ago) So for anyone to tell you AMD can't compete with Intel as far as Price and Power is spouting garbage from their mouth. OK, let's talk about current, newest games. Which is better? AMD or Intel CPU from XP Pro. SP3 to 64-bit W7? I am planning to upgrade my Intel quad-core Q8200 CPU in a couple months. I haven't decided to go AMD or Intel. I am keeping my old ATI Radeon 4870 video card though. I am upgrading so I can use the old parts for my old Linux box that still runs on a single core AMD Athlon 64 754 CPU (slooooow!) with Debian/Linux. Oh, and I don't overclock. |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 23, 2010, 01:12 |
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bhcompy wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 17:01:
kxmode wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 15:59:
Drezden wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 15:50:
kxmode wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 15:40:
Would an AMD/ATI combo system be less expensive but just as good as a Intel/nVidia combo?
Yes.
Don't let retarded morons like Grounded scare you away from AMD. They make quality chips and quality cards.
I haven't owned an Intel or Nvidia product in 10 years. And will continue to never own one of their products as long as AMD is available. Had nothing but problems with both companies. Never an issue with AMD/ATI.
How is AMD/ATI with Photoshop, Flash and Firefox?
First, the price per performance ratio for AMD/ATI is better than Intel/nV or Intel/ATI. If you want the top performance, sure, you look at Intel for the processor, but you pay a lot more per unit of performance and the diminishing returns aren't worth it as far as gaming is concerned(might be worth it for multimedia processing depending on your use).
Second, I've had no problem with my new AMD/ATI box regarding Photoshop, Flash, or Firefox(running Win7 64b). I recently upgraded from a 3200+ and an nV 7900GS AGP
What this guy said. I've never had a problem with Firefox, Flash or Photoshop running Win7 64bit. And I still run a Phenom II 940 Deneb BE (3.0ghz Quad Core). Runs just as good overclocked as any of my friends I7's they bought at the same time period (about a year and a half ago) So for anyone to tell you AMD can't compete with Intel as far as Price and Power is spouting garbage from their mouth. |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 23, 2010, 00:30 |
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So, this new APP to include OpenCL driver. I am still confused what it does after reading it in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL ... What softwares use it? I still use an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 with lots of old games (no time for them), softwares, ATI Radeon 4870 video card (512 MB of RAM), Intel Core 2 8200 CPU, 2 GB of RAM, etc.
Also, ugh for hdmiaudo and xcode still showing v10.9 again. ATI/AMD never seems to update them at the same time as the driver releases! |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 22, 2010, 23:15 |
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The 460 and 6850 are the new bang for buck options. And your example was terrible, price to performance value means weighing options based on application requirements and resolution/details. You don't look bottom to top, you go the other way. A better example would be the 6870 vs the 5870. You can get a 6870 which has 90% of the performance of the 5870 at 60% of the cost. You lose 10% performance which will translate to nothing important at these part's range except ~2500x1620 and you get to save %40 off the price, not to mention lower heat/noise/power profiles.
With regards to CPUs, I paid a little bit more for an i5 strictly because I wasn't terribly happy with the AMD partner motherboards on the market at the time. Most gaming benchmarks come out about the same for both makers right now, you only see meaningful differences in synthetic benches that no one really cares about brand loyalty weirdos and forum fanboys.
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Playing: Path of Exile, Animal Crossing, Tales of Graces F
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 22, 2010, 22:46 |
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Screw price to performance. The cheap CPUs always win that. If I can offer you 10FPS for $1 or 60 FPS for $120 which would you prefer? Clearly the former is the better bang for the buck, but it's still mostly useless. The former is going to be the better one to buy.
So you can buy AMD right now, but I'd rather spend a tiny bit more to get the extra bang for the 760. Which is why I did it. In fact, Microcenter had the Phenom X4 755 with a free motherboard. So the i5 760 cost me not only $20 more for the chip but $80 more for the motherboard. Still a better deal to me. AMD had no real offering in the price range I wanted. The $150 GeForce 460 was also a better deal, as the 5750 was the same price for less performance. I walked into MicroCenter 100% expecting an AMD/ATI combo. Walked out spending a bit more and getting a lot more.
Dev is right, too. The i7 really gives you no advantage in current games over the higher end i5s. The i3 is only dual core, I think, but the high end i7s have virtually everything the i7 860s do except hyperthreading. I believe they overclock better, too, but I'm not sure. I don't think that jump is worth the money right now. The i7 9XX is a damn fine processor, very capable, and if I was doing heavy graphics editing I'd go for it, but for gaming? Nope. The motherboards are twice as much and the RAM is a big jump, too. If money is no object it's awesome, but games really see no improvement over the i5 7XX.
Right now I think the bang for the buck is definitely i5 and GeForce 450. Haven't looked at how these new ATI cards change it, sounds like they beat out the 450 for the same price, though. If I were to build now they're probably what I'd look at first. In any case it's really nice to see nvidia competing with ATI on price and performance for the first time in what feels like a long time - keeps both sides pushing each other. |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 22, 2010, 22:11 |
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Verno wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 20:43:
You can get a $150 videocard and a $100 CPU to play the best games available at 1080p
Yeah I know. I still see tons of people saying OMG you need a $500 video card and a $1000 system to play games on PC! But its absolutely not true. The i7 1366 adds very little in overall gaming performance compared to its significant extra cost, really the 1156 boards (such as i3/i5) is where the sweet spot is right now in price/performance.
I also tell my friends "buy whatever dell has on sale and throw a $75 video card into it and you have a gaming system", and they don't believe me.
A big part of it is because console ports are based on systems that are essentially obsolete nowadays, so buying lower priced stuff works out just fine in the majority of cases.
PHJF wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 20:12:
The Phenom X6 is a great CPU, and it's what I'd get now if I were in the market. It's called price to performance, and it's something AMD has historically specialized in. There were times in the past in which AMD ruled the price/performance crown (especially when the mobo melting hot p4's were around, or when AMD broke the 1ghz barrier first), but ever since intel went back to basics and brought its laptop products back to desktop (the whole core thing after p4), and abandoned the silly p4 stuff, its been mostly intel on top of that hill.
I've owned AMDs in the past and have enjoyed them (and the savings in money) very much. My previous system was an AMD in fact. |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 22, 2010, 20:43 |
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I can't believe you guys are arguing what plays console ports and accessible games the best Seriously put it in perspective, we don't really have many games that scale to the high end anymore. The vast majority of the market who doesn't use multi-monitor doesn't need the high end anyways. Personally I use whatever lets me have the most headroom tinkering and overclocking but that's just for kicks.
You can get a $150 videocard and a $100 CPU to play the best games available at 1080p, everyone should be happy but instead we have brand loyalty wars |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 22, 2010, 20:12 |
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| The Phenom X6 is a great CPU, and it's what I'd get now if I were in the market. It's called price to performance, and it's something AMD has historically specialized in. |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 22, 2010, 19:45 |
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Well im about to try these drivers as I had already had the 10.10 beta modded RickFlair station drivers, and they seemed ok. I still have my old AMD 3800 dualcore and its rock solid, but so is my new Alienware Core i7, in the old machine I have a nvidia7850 gs card as my trusted beloved all time fav card in the world the nvidia 8800 burned out. Now im digging this Ati5970 card as it is problem free and works with everything I throw at it. And the drivers have vastly gotten better with each build.
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 22, 2010, 18:38 |
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Spout BS? Which BS? That AMD doesn't have any high end stuff, or that from i5 760 up it gets destroyed?
Before I get to that, I'm baffled at how you think I contradicted myself. I don't stick to brands. About 40% of my PCs have been AMD. But, for the past several years, AMD has been competitive solely in the low end. If I were to build a computer in that range I'd go AMD. I actually planned my current one would be AMD until I saw the i5 760 hit $150 and jumped on it.
But here:
Tom's Hardware Best CPU Comparison by Price.
Note that at $115 the Core I3 takes the reign. AMD comes back in at $140 then is never seen again as the best choice.
Then go to the last page and see how the hierarchy works. Does AMD have a single CPU in the top tier? No.
Again, I repeat: right now there isn't a single damn AMD chip that competes above the Core i5 760, which I purchased a month ago for $150. Under $150 it's the best way to go. Over it simply is not competitive. Denying it is turning against cold hard facts in favor of either being a bad consumer or simple brand loyalty (which is kind of the same thing.)
If you don't like Tom's, here's Anand saying the same thing I am: At $100 AMD is the choice, but after that it's not as compelling |
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Re: New AMD/ATI Drivers & Hotfix |
Oct 22, 2010, 17:14 |
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kxmode wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 16:09:
LittleMe wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 16:07:
kxmode wrote on Oct 22, 2010, 15:59:
How is AMD/ATI with Photoshop, Flash and Firefox?
Works great but I have to hit the computer with a hammer every few hours and pour coffee on the motherboard. Otherwise I get artifacts and firefox won't load pages properly.
LOL!!!
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