space captain wrote on Oct 15, 2010, 11:31:

Sempai wrote on Oct 11, 2010, 10:25:
You lost me at "Wtf are you smoking?"

I lost almost everyone long, long ago

Sempai wrote on Oct 11, 2010, 10:25:
You lost me at "Wtf are you smoking?"

Shooters fanboy wrote on Oct 10, 2010, 22:13:
Indeed Jerykk, that's an important fact. Basically what I'm trying to say is as a PC Gamer I'm unhappy with our misfortune since as far back as the Xbox's launch back in 2001 with Halo which was a PC focused game in its beginnings then becoming a Xbox franchise hence contracting "consolitis" then again with Deus Ex IW and so on. With this gen of consoles especially in the last 2 years we PC gamers are getting too much console to PC ports or multi platform design resulting in watered down PC games, need I mention one of the big ones Modern Warfare 2's non dedicated servers and no mod support was a big blow to PC gaming especially after the huge community behind the first title, that to me is clear evidence of anti-piracy and most recently Ubisoft's Splinter Cell DRM where you couldn't play the game unless you were online at all times while playing the singleplayer(seems they were driven to that extreme because of torrenting). I digress, It seems to me 2K are thinking about risk vs reward with Bio2 PC DLC and have chosen to not bother with us, surely knowing their content would be on every major torrent site within a short time of release. So I say again PC piracy(which is more rampant than console piracy) is one of two major factors that's causing the decline of the quality of PC titles the second being the consoles more affordable pricepoint, accessibility, universal fixed hardware etc.

- the issues begin at home, in the human mind itself.. and these issues have been in play for millennia - the only changes derive from an unfolding fractal complexity, the manifestation of nested potentials inherent in the original format

whatever evolution is possible for humanity is not related to these issues, as it engenders intelligence which breaks free of biological consideration and therefore cannot be an automatic process

the human OS is one layer, then the cultural OS layer goes on top, and then all the localized plugins are installed - but at its core the actual I/O has nothing to do with anything other than raw electricity

Prez wrote on Oct 11, 2010, 00:07:
You know, when this net neutrality thing dies (as it's on life support now, and getting weaker), it will be interesting to see what effect ISP's severely gimping Torrent traffic, as Comcast is doing now, will have on PC game sales. Maybe if and when sales are affected not at all by greatly reduced warez downloads, we can finally stop having the "piracy is killing PC gaming" BS preached to us. They'll just find another excuse to whine about then, but at least the piracy myth can be put to bed once and for all.

Prez wrote on Oct 11, 2010, 06:14:

PC gamers are no different, only companies like 2K are getting away with their mistreatment and neglect.

And have rabid attack dog apologists like Finga (I'd like to give him mine...) to boot. So we get screwed AND insulted.

finga wrote on Oct 11, 2010, 00:38:
But the reality is, what IS the fucking point of trying to do business with people who are openly hostile to them?

PC gamers are no different, only companies like 2K are getting away with their mistreatment and neglect.

finga wrote on Oct 11, 2010, 00:38:
Oh, everyone look at the world's smallest violin I'm playing for 2K right here.

But the reality is, what IS the fucking point of trying to do business with people who are openly hostile to them? Clearly they tried, *again*, to give it a shot, and again the PC gaming community bitched and moaned about DLC, cried about spergtastic issues like FOV/Vsync (as if this is what makes or breaks a game), and then had a nerdrage shitfit when 2K said, "you know what? Fuck it. Let's just leave these assholes to whine and complain on their little forums and go make money with the gamers who care about things like the actual game rather than DLC, piracy, whether mouselook is 1:1, and dozens of other real or made-up issues we don't have to deal with on the more profitable (for most of their games) platforms."

PC gamers are the most finicky, vocal (loudmouthed), opinionated, and unrealistic customers in this industry. And when they don't get what they perceive to be their way? A big chunk of them just pirate games to "get back" at the publishers that they see as directly insulting them. As a business, it's silly for most companies to try and sell things to people like this.

Shooters fanboy wrote on Oct 10, 2010, 22:13:
Basically what I'm trying to say is as a PC Gamer I'm unhappy with our misfortune since as far back as the Xbox's launch back in 2001 with Halo which was a PC focused game in its beginnings

So obviously the rampant piracy of PC games is the main cause of this, end of story.

Shooters fanboy wrote on Oct 10, 2010, 17:22:
@space captain You can go fuck off with your flippant comment. Anyone that doesn't accept that we PC gamers are no longer a lucrative market and are not treated equally as the console platforms due to PC much larger piracy is in denial. PC gaming as we knew it is pretty much dead now, for example I guarantee that many Deus Ex fans will be disappointed with Human Revolution's Consolitis compromises. Look I'm not being fatalistic here I'm simply stating the fact that the climate has changed for us veteran PC gamers for more or less the worst in my opinion and I for one 'am concerned about the future of our hobby. Will we ever have the likes of SS2 or Deus Ex, Baldurs Gate, Morrowind, Unreal Tournament/Counter-Strike, Battlefield 1943/2 and mass modding again? I think not and that's what saddens me. MMOs and RTSs are our only torch bearers of good old fashioned, true blue PC gaming in a world dominated by Consoles. Everything else at some level has consolitis now. So obviously the rampant piracy of PC games is the main cause of this, end of story.