Prez wrote on Sep 6, 2010, 18:50:
As pretentious as Christians usually are, they have nothing on the militant atheist crowd, who constantly drub you over the head with their opinions whether they are on topic or not.

InBlack wrote on Sep 7, 2010, 10:29:
Im not trying to disprove God here. As far as I know there isnt a single scientist alive today who would even try that. He would be the laughing stock of the entire community. Both scientific and religious ones....

But science is making leaps and bounds. Its based on real, testifiable, experiments. Religion is based on.....faith? Belief?

Do we agree on that at least? I agree that people should be open minded, but saying "God did it" about anything isnt open minded. Its being blind, and is exactly the opposite of what science is about.

I understand your fear bro. I feel for you. But relax. No one is threatening your beliefs. They are your own, but they should have nothing to do with science, and any science based on beliefs cant be called science at all...

Prez wrote on Sep 6, 2010, 18:50:

Bard wrote on Sep 6, 2010, 17:36:

Prez wrote on Sep 6, 2010, 15:19:
This sounds like a griefers paradise. How many obnoxious atheists are going to sign up just annoy the Christians incessantly?

Unlikely any - religion is something the religious care about - not aetheists.

Have you ever been here for a religious discussion? (Take a look at this thread to see the vitriol a simple Bible game announcement generates) I have a hard time believing that the atheists and anti-religious posters here "don't care about religion". Religiously themed topics will often exceed a hundred posts, and the majority of those are NOT by Christians or religious people from what I've seen.

As pretentious as Christians usually are, they have nothing on the militant atheist crowd, who constantly drub you over the head with their opinions whether they are on topic or not.

InBlack wrote on Sep 7, 2010, 10:22:
LoL Dude. Just because Science and scientific theories are constantly evolving doesnt make it into a belief.

Newton's theory of gravity. You know of it? Its a brilliant piece of mathematics. And it described the force of gravity nearly perfectly. I say nearly because it was supplanted by Einstein's theory of General Relativity.

Does that make Newton a fraud? Was he wrong? Theories are supplanted and improved upon constantly. Newton got many things right. That is the beauty of science. As we learn new things we constantly improve our knowledge of the universe. KNOWLEDGE not belief.

Once again you are using flawed logic here. You are saying that simply because we dont know EVERYTHING we cannot claim to know ANYTHING. And that my friend is pure and simple bull...

Verno wrote on Sep 7, 2010, 08:46:

Science can no more prove there isnt a god, than prove there is one. And for all of the wonderful scientific discoveries that are made, science has a pretty good track record of being wrong, alot.

That's some seriously fifth grade logic right there, "well you can't prove it isnt so there!". That's essentially saying that anyone can simply say anything and if it can't be immediately disproven to everyone in the worlds satisfaction then it's automatically true. If that were anything but BS then you must by default accept every other faith, conspiracy theory and other idiocy that man can cook up. I'd also like to point out that most religious people don't actually practice that either, they only adapt it when its convenient for an argument. "Science" isn't about binary rights or wrongs, it's about accountable principles, research and the pursuit of scientific understanding of our universe.

InBlack wrote on Sep 7, 2010, 08:13:

My personnel favorite are scientists who dont believe in the possiblility of there being a god, yet believe in multiple dimensions. Ah gotta love bull headed people.

The extra dimensions are not (to the 4 we actually experience) "made up". Its not "belief". They are neccessary in the mathematical model that is used in some theories such as the superstring theory. Do you understand the difference?

Science can no more prove there isnt a god, than prove there is one. And for all of the wonderful scientific discoveries that are made, science has a pretty good track record of being wrong, alot.

My personnel favorite are scientists who dont believe in the possiblility of there being a god, yet believe in multiple dimensions. Ah gotta love bull headed people.

Verno wrote on Sep 7, 2010, 05:54:

True, unbiased science even points to a creator; systems are way to complex

Many things are complex but complexity alone doesn't imply anything. Ignorance is not an argument for a creator and this is exactly the reason why I can't take most religions seriously. Funny how that disappears in the face of undeniable scientific discovery yet religions adapt by trying to force science into their dogma or by ferociously attacking it.

YOU created something, therefore SOMETHING created YOU, therefore SOMETHING is GOD who created EVERYTHING...

It's simply religion trying to co-opt science because it cannot explain it. The more bull headed practitioners discovered awhile ago that Oh shit, this science stuff is really screwing us because our magical book can't explain 90% of it. So instead of trying to combat it directly, many times they will just try the "man was created by god therefore all science is god" crap.

True, unbiased science even points to a creator; systems are way to complex

YOU created something, therefore SOMETHING created YOU, therefore SOMETHING is GOD who created EVERYTHING...

HellSlayer wrote on Sep 7, 2010, 01:21:
Let us stop acting as if Christianity is so rare. There are millions of people that believe in a higher power. Yes, there are some that take the tag of Christ follower lightly that do not represent Jesus or His beliefs. This is the case with any group or religion. To mock Jesus with so little of information is right out stupidity. Eternity is along time to pay for lack of research. True, unbiased science even points to a creator; systems are way to complex, just a tiny little difference within a cell can lead to nothingness. Speaking of nonexistence, this post even declares a creator. It would have never existed unless I decided to create it. Creation is all around us my friends. Chaos still needs a starting point. There even had to be a creator for the internet (not Al Gore).

I'm curious as to whether people are this mean when talking with each other face to face.

Prez wrote on Sep 6, 2010, 18:50:
As pretentious as Christians usually are, they have nothing on the militant atheist crowd, who constantly drub you over the head with their opinions whether they are on topic or not.