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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 13, 2010, 16:31 |
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Prez wrote on Aug 13, 2010, 09:14:
StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 13, 2010, 03:30:
Why don't you see Steam as a service? It says it is all over the place, and Newell talks about games being a service now at every public appearance.
I guess I just view it as a handy one-stop repository for my gaming library more than anything else. I guess that still is a 'service' though.
It is fundamentally different from buying a product in a store though, on a legal level. It is a subscription, and you add "features" to that subscription, you never buy games there.
The Terms of Service are quite scary really, not that I expect Valve to ever abuse them. |
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Aug 13, 2010, 10:57 |
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This game moved from the "I don't give a shit" list to the "must buy" list. 
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 13, 2010, 09:14 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 13, 2010, 03:30:
Why don't you see Steam as a service? It says it is all over the place, and Newell talks about games being a service now at every public appearance.
I guess I just view it as a handy one-stop repository for my gaming library more than anything else. I guess that still is a 'service' though. |
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Keeping old games poll... |
Aug 13, 2010, 08:48 |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 13, 2010, 08:36 |
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I don't really see a problem with used games on the consumer side of things, I just don't think corporations should be able to insert themselves as the middle man using consumer protection laws as a smokescreen for their billion dollar profit margins.
I think Prez and Velvet should be able to trade/buy/sell whatever they want. I think Gamestop shouldn't be able to do that with 100 copies of a game without some form of distribution license with a royalty agreement. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 13, 2010, 03:30 |
StingingVelvet |
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Prez wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 23:45:
I have to admit that not being able to resell is a complete non-issue for me. I have every PC game I ever bought - often multiple copies if I re-purchased some digitally or in bundles.
I also don't look at Steam as "games as a service", but that's just me. Honestly, I'd been hoping for something like Steam for a long time before it shipped. When HL2 came out and I saw what it was like then, I was like   - Holy crap this SUCKS! Through steady improvement though, it has become almost exactly what I had envisioned. I wouldn't want to live in a world where it was the only option for PC gaming, but I'm glad it exists.
I never sell my games either, really. I buy used games sometimes, but only old ones you can't find new very easily.
Why don't you see Steam as a service? It says it is all over the place, and Newell talks about games being a service now at every public appearance. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 23:45 |
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I have to admit that not being able to resell is a complete non-issue for me. I have every PC game I ever bought - often multiple copies if I re-purchased some digitally or in bundles.
I also don't look at Steam as "games as a service", but that's just me. Honestly, I'd been hoping for something like Steam for a long time before it shipped. When HL2 came out and I saw what it was like then, I was like - Holy crap this SUCKS! Through steady improvement though, it has become almost exactly what I had envisioned. I wouldn't want to live in a world where it was the only option for PC gaming, but I'm glad it exists. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 23:19 |
StingingVelvet |
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Verno wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 22:00:
That's the whole thing now though, publishers are basically trying to force the entire "gaming platform" away from even having the potential to resell. The laws basically will not apply to games in the next five years if they don't have a retail disc, we need entirely new legislation for digital goods at this point.
Yes, and they are pushing digital really hard. I'm not sure why they seem to be getting away with that more than other mediums. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 22:20 |
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Sepharo wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 19:40:
A question for those of you that regularly sell your games, what do you do when you want to play them again? I rarely do.
I don't keep old junks that I don't use/play. I do still keep old stuff that I use like my 20" 1996 CRT TV and VCR since I still use them.
This comment was edited on Aug 12, 2010, 23:53. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 22:00 |
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StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 21:14:
I quoted you, responded, then made another statement. Just because I quote you doesn't mean the entire post is for your exclusive benefit. As I said, the PC is an open platform so DRM is a minor hassle... I can play Ubisoft games offline, I can install Steamworks games without asking Valve. It's even arguably legal, so why get worked up about it?
I think you just misread the situation and don't want to admit it but whatever, no big deal. I just found it amusing you went on that rant then basically said "by the way I buy stuff on Steam anyways" I guess.
And for the record I don't sell my games, ever, but I do agree that first-sale doctrine should mean anyone should be able to.
That's the whole thing now though, publishers are basically trying to force the entire "gaming platform" away from even having the potential to resell. The laws basically will not apply to games in the next five years if they don't have a retail disc, we need entirely new legislation for digital goods at this point.
This comment was edited on Aug 12, 2010, 22:09. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 21:18 |
StingingVelvet |
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Sepharo wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 19:40:
I've never sold a game and never bought a used PC game.
I'm more upset about a game not being offered on Steam than a game exclusively being offered on Steam.
Like Verno, I understand the criticism leveled at Steam but those issues simply don't bother me. The DRM and the service itself are indistinguishable.
I think my issue is more on a fundamental level, I do not want games to be a service, I disagree with Valve's entire intent. I want games to be packaged goods, like a movie or book, just as they always were before (for single-player anyway).
If the future is games as a service then yes, DRM like Steam is pretty much a non-issue, as a service intrinsically has a DRM aspect to it, just as a multiplayer game does most of the time. Mafia 2 is not a service though, it's a packaged game with a beginning, middle and end that tells a story and offers a defined experience... why is that suddenly made a service when I get home and install it? I don't like it.
And for the record I don't sell my games, ever, but I do agree that first-sale doctrine should mean anyone should be able to. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 21:14 |
StingingVelvet |
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Verno wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 17:44:
Your rant is totally disconnected from my comment, I'm not even sure why you quoted me.
I quoted you, responded, then made another statement. Just because I quote you doesn't mean the entire post is for your exclusive benefit.
Verno wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 17:44:
In any event I do buy Steamworks games when they are must-have
One of these things is not like the other.
As I said, the PC is an open platform so DRM is a minor hassle... I can play Ubisoft games offline, I can install Steamworks games without asking Valve. It's even arguably legal, so why get worked up about it?
It's closed system account-based subscriptions I worry about, and I would not support a Steam-like system on console, nor would I continue to buy DRMed games if the PC somehow became a closed system. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 20:24 |
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Finally a decent compromise. An online verification platform that people will accept and a reasonable level protection for the developer. Sounds like a win/win to me.
Hopefully they can now migrate the rest of their old DRM across. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 19:40 |
Sepharo |
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I've never sold a game and never bought a used PC game.
I'm more upset about a game not being offered on Steam than a game exclusively being offered on Steam.
Like Verno, I understand the criticism leveled at Steam but those issues simply don't bother me. The DRM and the service itself are indistinguishable.
A question for those of you that regularly sell your games, what do you do when you want to play them again?
I simply load up Steam on any computer anywhere I go and download and install when I want to play a game again. |
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 17:44 |
Verno |
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Your rant is totally disconnected from my comment, I'm not even sure why you quoted me. I sympathize with him, I am just not willing to go his extremes about it when there are ways of trying to solve the problem without denying myself enjoyment.
In any event I do buy Steamworks games when they are must-have
One of these things is not like the other. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 17:28 |
StingingVelvet |
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Verno wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 13:56:
Looks like you won't be doing much PC gaming going forward then. Heck, gaming in general even.
Which is probably exactly what he is complaining about.
I love the whole "get used to it" vibe. What if every problem ever in society was responded to with a "get used to it"? We would never get anywhere. It's a great fucking thing that some people are out there worried about the consumer rights ramifications of Steam and other subscription services and making those concerns known... you guys act like we should just shut up and take it because you personally don't care.
In any event I do buy Steamworks games when they are must-haves, because the PC is an open platform and they can't take my games away anyway. I would never support a Steam style system on a closed platform though, EVER. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 14:56 |
Verno |
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Ant wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 14:00:
Verno wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 13:56:
Looks like you won't be doing much PC gaming going forward then. Heck, gaming in general even. If that was for me, that's OK. I haven't played much lately due to lack of free time. I still have old games to resume and finish: C&C3:KW, World in Conflict, many demos and betas, etc. 
I was talking to Beaver but it could really be directed at anyone who is "anti-DD" or whatever you want to call it. In general the industry is moving away from retail distribution pretty rapidly. I'd be surprised if I could still get discs from Amazon in three years even.
Exactly. Right now I am only playing ArmA 2 and some old RPGs (those that you actually owned and that after 12 years are still playable because they had no AF DRM).
Don't get me wrong, I agree with your sentiments. I'm just not willing to ditch my favorite hobby to make a quasi-political stand about videogame ownership rights. Maybe they will do some egregious and force me to change my mind though, who knows. The whole EA sports pass crap for their multiplayer on consoles is driving me towards avoiding their games entirely. |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 14:16 |
Muscular Beaver |
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| Sorry, cant delete this post. |
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Oh that is so lame... You will PAY for your use of inappropriate dialogue!
- Mojo Jojo |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 14:15 |
Muscular Beaver |
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Verno wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 13:56:
Looks like you won't be doing much PC gaming going forward then. Heck, gaming in general even.
Exactly. Right now I am only playing ArmA 2 and some old RPGs (those that you actually owned and that after 12 years are still playable because they had no AF DRM). |
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Oh that is so lame... You will PAY for your use of inappropriate dialogue!
- Mojo Jojo |
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Re: R.U.S.E. Drops Ubisoft DRM |
Aug 12, 2010, 14:00 |
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Verno wrote on Aug 12, 2010, 13:56:
Looks like you won't be doing much PC gaming going forward then. Heck, gaming in general even. If that was for me, that's OK. I haven't played much lately due to lack of free time. I still have old games to resume and finish: C&C3:KW, World in Conflict, many demos and betas, etc. |
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