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PC Hardware Outsells Consoles

PC Gaming Alliance Releases Newest Horizons Hardware Research has data from the occasionally dormant PC advocates on PC gaming hardware sales outstripping all console hardware sales combined, using a discreet GPU as the criterion for a gaming rig (thanks Computer and Video Games) Here's an excerpt:

Among the key findings: Annual shipment volumes for the PC Gaming hardware market in 2009 were over two times larger than the combined Wii™, PlayStation® 2, PlayStation® 3 and Xbox 360® console units shipped in the same period. This trend for the PC Gaming hardware market to outpace all console shipments combined is expected to continue through the forecasted period of the research. In addition, revenues from consumer PCs capable of gaming that shipped with a discrete GPU (excludes Netbooks and integrated graphics-based PCs) totaled approximately $54.6 billion in 2009 and are forecasted to grow to $61.3 billion by 2014. These revenue figures are based on an estimated 61.5 million PCs (Desktop and Laptops) shipped in 2009 that can largely be associated with PC gaming as a key usage scenario.

The report also estimates the worldwide number of consumers gaming with discrete graphics solutions on their PCs (Desktop and Notebooks) to be 212.6 million for 2009 and expects this to grow to about 322 million by 2014. The report also includes detailed breakouts of various PC configurations (e.g. Basic, Mass Market, etc), by form factor and by geographic territory.

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43. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 7, 2010, 15:03 Sepharo
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 22:29:
Sepharo wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:35:
ASeven wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:34:
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:11:
For those interested, the entire lengthy article can be found here:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Terrible article, lots of erroneous stuff there.

Terrible post.

Not really. Read this analysis on that article in the link below.

http://dbzer0.com/blog/the-reverse-fallacy-of-impartiality

Read all the 5 parts. The guy demolishes that article for what it is.

Better post.
 
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42. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 7, 2010, 10:36 Porn-O-Matic
 
ASJD wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 22:29:

Just a sample : Ace Combat 6 (360 only), Alan Wake (360 only), Assassin's Creed 1 (came out on 360 before PC), AC2 (360 before PC), Alone in the Dark (yea... that was shit!), Amped 3 (360 only), Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts (360 only), Battlefield Bad Company 1 (no PC ver), BFBC2 (beta gave me too many drops below 30fps), Bayonetta (no PC), Beautiful Katamari (360 only), Bionic Commando (360 first? bought it real cheap), Bioshock (ehh, might have been better to buy on PC), Blazblue (no PC version yet), Blue Dragon (360 only), Blur (well, it's a racing game, did it come out on 360 before PC?), Brutal Legend (no PC), Burnout Paradise (360 before PC), Burnout Revenge (no PC ver, right?)...

not counting any XBLA games of course, can't rightly see those in order.

I play PC games exclusively and with the only exception being Bioshock, I have zero interest in ANY of the games you listed even if they had been available for the PC, whether first or at all. I was at my local GameStop just the other day and looked at all the games that are available for the consoles and I honestly have to say that fewer than 20% look like they'd actually be worth playing. (Yes, I'd still say that even if they were all available for the PC!) If you make a shitload of lame-ass games for the consoles, porting them to the PC doesn't make them any less lame.
 
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41. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 7, 2010, 05:13 ASeven
 
Jerykk wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 23:41:
What? What kind of shit is this? Good god, the myth that PC gamers keep upgrading their hardware each week has got to stop. Hardware for the PC is no longer as expensive as it was and it lasts a long time now, seeing that most PC games are ports that don't require a lot of power to run.

I think you have to understand the consolite perspective on this. I listened to a Kotaku podcast about the topic and it was really shocking how out of touch they were with PC gaming. One of the speakers complained about all the issues he encountered when trying to play SC2 and Civ5, then went on to admit that he hadn't updated his drivers in two years and that when he did, he accidentally installed the 64-bit ones on his 32-bit OS. And this wasn't a guy who had been a consolite his entire life. He had, at one point, been a hardcore PC gamer.

To PC gamers, updating drivers a few times a year and knowing your system specs is common sense. But the general populace doesn't even know what a driver is and has no idea what's inside their PC. Even updating drivers once a year is too complex for them if they have to do it manually. Throw in the occasional hardware upgrade and they shit themselves.

Heard it too myself as well. They were really so out of touch it was frightening, though the funny part was that, like most gaming news sites be them specialized in PC gaming or not, they are recognizing the growing importance of indies on PC gaming. Other than that, truly amusing podcast with gamers so out of touch it was funny to listen to.
 
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40. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 7, 2010, 02:15 Mashiki Amiketo
 
Jdrez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 17:27:
Considering a single good video card can cost as much or more as an entire console it's no surprise.

Let alone all the other components people swap out on a regular basis.
Considering you can build a gaming PC for around $400 that will run everything on the market, I'm continually surprised at the silliness that I read here.

My last PC I was playing on lasted 4.5 years. This one will last ~3yrs, I might swap out a HDD but none of the other hardware really matters because I don't need to play at 2700x1920@8xAA. Actually I still play games in the 1024x760-1280x1024 resolutions because that's just fine.
 
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39. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 23:41 Jerykk
 
What? What kind of shit is this? Good god, the myth that PC gamers keep upgrading their hardware each week has got to stop. Hardware for the PC is no longer as expensive as it was and it lasts a long time now, seeing that most PC games are ports that don't require a lot of power to run.

I think you have to understand the consolite perspective on this. I listened to a Kotaku podcast about the topic and it was really shocking how out of touch they were with PC gaming. One of the speakers complained about all the issues he encountered when trying to play SC2 and Civ5, then went on to admit that he hadn't updated his drivers in two years and that when he did, he accidentally installed the 64-bit ones on his 32-bit OS. And this wasn't a guy who had been a consolite his entire life. He had, at one point, been a hardcore PC gamer.

To PC gamers, updating drivers a few times a year and knowing your system specs is common sense. But the general populace doesn't even know what a driver is and has no idea what's inside their PC. Even updating drivers once a year is too complex for them if they have to do it manually. Throw in the occasional hardware upgrade and they shit themselves.
 
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38. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 22:58 PHJF
 
Ol Jack always says... what the hell.  
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37. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 22:36 ForgedReality
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 22:31:
Yeah. To be honest I stopped believing, or even listening, to anything that PCGA may say. For an organization saying they defend PC gaming they do two things quite well: Jack and shit.
And Jack left town...
 
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36. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 22:31 ASeven
 
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:38:
While I wouldn't say it's terrible by any means, I took issue with some parts of the article as well. Regardless, the data relevant to this thread seems sound, no?

Yeah. To be honest I stopped believing, or even listening, to anything that PCGA may say. For an organization saying they defend PC gaming they do two things quite well: Jack and shit.
 
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35. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 22:30 Draugr
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 18:06:
Jdrez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 17:27:
Considering a single good video card can cost as much or more as an entire console it's no surprise.

Let alone all the other components people swap out on a regular basis.

What? What kind of shit is this? Good god, the myth that PC gamers keep upgrading their hardware each week has got to stop. Hardware for the PC is no longer as expensive as it was and it lasts a long time now, seeing that most PC games are ports that don't require a lot of power to run.

+1

Let's also take into account that if PC gamer held the same quality standards that console gamers do the hardware would be even MORE inexpensive. Building a computer that tops out at 30fps with crap textures (which most ports have) is cheap as hell.
 
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34. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 22:29 ASeven
 
Sepharo wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:35:
ASeven wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:34:
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:11:
For those interested, the entire lengthy article can be found here:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Terrible article, lots of erroneous stuff there.

Terrible post.

Not really. Read this analysis on that article in the link below.

http://dbzer0.com/blog/the-reverse-fallacy-of-impartiality

Read all the 5 parts. The guy demolishes that article for what it is.
 
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33. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 22:29 ASJD
 
StingingVelvet wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 16:44:
Hmmm... most games still come out at the same time on all platforms though. And I doubt a dual core and GTX 260 can't top 720p (or lower) with little to no AA.

You sure those are the reasons?

Between games coming out for 360 before PC, those 360 games being better than the PS3 version, and some games that get a shit port on PC, yep. Those are the main reasons anyways.

Just a sample : Ace Combat 6 (360 only), Alan Wake (360 only), Assassin's Creed 1 (came out on 360 before PC), AC2 (360 before PC), Alone in the Dark (yea... that was shit!), Amped 3 (360 only), Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts (360 only), Battlefield Bad Company 1 (no PC ver), BFBC2 (beta gave me too many drops below 30fps), Bayonetta (no PC), Beautiful Katamari (360 only), Bionic Commando (360 first? bought it real cheap), Bioshock (ehh, might have been better to buy on PC), Blazblue (no PC version yet), Blue Dragon (360 only), Blur (well, it's a racing game, did it come out on 360 before PC?), Brutal Legend (no PC), Burnout Paradise (360 before PC), Burnout Revenge (no PC ver, right?)...

not counting any XBLA games of course, can't rightly see those in order.
 
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32. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 22:22 ASJD
 
PHJF wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 16:23:
You have 100 $60 360 games? You have incredibly bad standards.

Jealous? No, I have over 100 disk based 360 games and over 100 XBLA games. Not all bought full price. I didn't say they were all good, but really there are tons of good ones.
 
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31. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 21:08 Dev
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 18:06:
Jdrez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 17:27:
Considering a single good video card can cost as much or more as an entire console it's no surprise.

Let alone all the other components people swap out on a regular basis.

What? What kind of shit is this? Good god, the myth that PC gamers keep upgrading their hardware each week has got to stop. Hardware for the PC is no longer as expensive as it was and it lasts a long time now, seeing that most PC games are ports that don't require a lot of power to run.

Yeah, nowadays you can setup a decent gaming rig for $500 or less. One that has better graphics than consoles. The thing is, the consoles all have years old graphics hardware, and so the PC has kinda hit a plateau in terms of pushing graphics because of all the ports. So yeah, an 8800 gtx can still run most stuff decent if its not 1080p.

ati 4870 has been going on sale under $100.
Throw in a 1.5 TB hdd for under $70 (there's been multiple sales at under that price point in last couple weeks without rebates).
A core i3 cpu for around $100.
A 1156 mobo for same around $80 or so depending on features desired.
Memory is a little expensive right now, so throw in 2gb now for about $40 and buy 2gb later

Its under $400 and all the major parts of the system are there. A decent case and PSU to power it will probably take the rest. Use any old monitor or use that HD TV, or the LCD you already own, etc.
 
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30. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 21:06 Ventura
 
Have about $6000 in Xbox 360 games, but I spend a few hundred on PC games yearly.

My god, where are all these good Xbox games everyone's talking about? I have a launch console and have probably bought maybe 10 games since having had it.

My Xbox goes 6 months without being used in a heartbeat, whereas my pc is pretty much always on.
 
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29. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 20:38 Prez
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:34:
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:11:
For those interested, the entire lengthy article can be found here:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Terrible article, lots of erroneous stuff there.

While I wouldn't say it's terrible by any means, I took issue with some parts of the article as well. Regardless, the data relevant to this thread seems sound, no?
 
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28. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 20:35 Sepharo
 
ASeven wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:34:
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:11:
For those interested, the entire lengthy article can be found here:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Terrible article, lots of erroneous stuff there.

Terrible post.
 
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27. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 20:34 ASeven
 
Prez wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 20:11:
For those interested, the entire lengthy article can be found here:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Terrible article, lots of erroneous stuff there.
 
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26. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 20:11 Prez
 
This actually isn't new. Not to start another interminable debate on piracy, but the extensive piece on piracy by Tweakguides.com includes a section on this data. Note that the article was first posted in 2008 and later updated early 2010. Relevant section posted below:

...PC vs. Console Install Base

Estimates of the total number of gaming consoles sold to date worldwide can be gathered from a range places including VGChartz, Wikipedia articles, NPD, as well as by those who compile their own data from various sources. Taking all these into consideration, the breakdown of 'next-gen' gaming consoles sold to date around the world is approximately:

Wii: 36 million
XBox 360: 23 million
PlayStation 3: 17 million

That's a total of around 76 million 'next-gen' consoles currently in use globally.

In the other corner, while the total number of PCs can only be approximated, Gartner Inc. places the figure at just over 1 billion PCs currently in use globally.

In both cases, it is recognized that the figures are not completely accurate, but they provide a very clear sense of the relative proportions of the install base of PCs vs. consoles - the ratio is at least 10:1 in favor of PCs. However to truly compare PCs to consoles, we need an indication of what proportion of the PCs would have sufficient graphics power to run the latest games.

Publicly available data from reports by Jon Peddie Research published in articles such as this one and this one provides us with sufficient information to deduce that sales of add-in graphics cards made by Nvidia and ATI total around 20-24 million units per quarter in 2008. Extrapolating the quarterly figure to an annual one equates to roughly 80-100 million graphics cards sold each year. This is the figure for only one year of sales, so it's a very conservative estimate of the base number of PCs with modern graphics cards. Of course some of these cards will be low-end, however since the data pertains to add-in graphics cards sold by Nvidia and ATI in the past year, not onboard graphics solutions such as Intel chipsets, then virtually all of them would be capable of some level of gaming. For example even low-end and two year-old cards can pump out over 30FPS or more in Call of Duty 4. Furthermore, since even cards released two years ago, such as the 8800GTS/GTX, can still game very effectively, it's still a low-end estimate of the total number of 'gaming' PCs in total. To add to the rough calculations above, this study claims that approximately 196 million gaming PCs were shipped between the third quarter of 2005 and the third quarter of 2008. One last piece of valuable information comes from Roy Taylor of Nvidia who recently stated that: "...there is a very large installed base of GeForce gamers. We estimate that we have over 180 million active GeForce users. That's a much bigger installed base than PS3 or Xbox 360."

In summary, looking at the data we wind up with what appear to be roughly equal proportions of machines capable of gaming in the console market vs. the PC gaming market: there are approximately 76 million or more 'next-gen' consoles currently in use around the world; and of the 1 billion PCs globally, we can state with a reasonable degree of confidence that at least 80 million, possibly as many as almost 200 million of them are capable of gaming with the latest titles. If we want to refine the figures down to which machines are capable of 'hardcore' gaming, then we can exclude the Wii from the console stats, bringing us down to 40 million consoles (XBox 360 and PS3); and even if we halve the number of PCs with add-in graphics cards to 40-100 million to account only for medium and high-end graphics cards, we still wind up with at least a 1:1 ratio in terms of the number of gaming consoles vs. the number of gaming PCs. What we can say with a high degree of certainty is that at no point does it look like gaming PCs are being outgunned in terms of sheer volume of console hardware by a 4:1, 5:1 or higher ratio as game sales ratios would suggest.


For those interested, the entire lengthy article can be found here:
http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html
 
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25. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 19:57 Grokk
 
frag.machine wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 18:49:
Porn-O-Matic wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 18:40:
As for other upgrades, I did rebuild my system with a Core i7 920 and DDR 3 about a year ago, but other than that, it's just a matter of buying bigger hard drives to keep up with my growing collection of hi-def porn.
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Hmmmm... Hi-def porn. /drools
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24. Re: PC Hardware Outsells Consoles Aug 6, 2010, 18:49 frag.machine
 
Porn-O-Matic wrote on Aug 6, 2010, 18:40:
As for other upgrades, I did rebuild my system with a Core i7 920 and DDR 3 about a year ago, but other than that, it's just a matter of buying bigger hard drives to keep up with my growing collection of hi-def porn.
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Hmmmm... Hi-def porn. /drools
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