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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 22, 2010, 18:16 |
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Tanto Edge wrote on Jul 22, 2010, 17:09:
@Beamer
Since you ordered your points so neatly, I shall do the same with my responses.
1) And I'll call it The Google if I damn well please.
2) I also wanted to eat his head.
3) And all he's doing is saving face. I'm not convinced, impressed or overtly concerned, but I will state my piece.
4) Frankly I have no problem understanding why he would be there. However I feel he has long forgotten what it was to be indie.
5) Yeah, but plight means you stand out. Last I checked, that defined most folks in middle class. Mark Rein ain't in that class.
6) You have no fucking idea what talent scouting means. Checking your competition out, looking for up and comers, keeping an eye for viable investment opportunities for your company, etc. If you think these things were not on his agenda...
7) Don't make assumptions about people you don't know. It'll define you as the sort of douche filled fuck tard we all love to hate.
8) Honestly, don't act like the UDK is anything other than an SDK? Christ this list is hysterical.
9) I don't know what you're point here is. I already stated that he's a sales and faceman. I'm not sure there's an argument occurring here so I'll let it be.
In the meantime: High five for forum skirmish about this topic on Bluesnews!
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 22, 2010, 17:09 |
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@Beamer
Since you ordered your points so neatly, I shall do the same with my responses.
1) And I'll call it The Google if I damn well please.
2) I also wanted to eat his head.
3) And all he's doing is saving face. I'm not convinced, impressed or overtly concerned, but I will state my piece.
4) Frankly I have no problem understanding why he would be there. However I feel he has long forgotten what it was to be indie.
5) Yeah, but plight means you stand out. Last I checked, that defined most folks in middle class. Mark Rein ain't in that class.
6) You have no fucking idea what talent scouting means. Checking your competition out, looking for up and comers, keeping an eye for viable investment opportunities for your company, etc. If you think these things were not on his agenda...
7) Don't make assumptions about people you don't know. It'll define you as the sort of douche filled fuck tard we all love to hate.
8) Honestly, don't act like the UDK is anything other than an SDK? Christ this list is hysterical.
9) I don't know what you're point here is. I already stated that he's a sales and faceman. I'm not sure there's an argument occurring here so I'll let it be.
In the meantime: High five for forum skirmish about this topic on Bluesnews! |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 12:17 |
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PropheT wrote on Jul 19, 2010, 20:43:
Wallshadows wrote on Jul 19, 2010, 20:38:
So he apologies and then gives dick advice again. This guy should just shut his mouth at all times.
It actually seems like good advice to me. He's saying that instead of revealing information in an informal way that indie developers could instead use that as a vehicle to get the word out about their games... that's hard logic to argue with. They can still communicate and be personal with their fans while using that news to make more fans for the future.
Problem being is most sites won't pay attention to you until you're popular. It's the chicken and the egg issue. Become popular and get exposure, get exposure to get popular. It applies to all levels, from getting your game reviewed to getting a PR release posted on news sites for a game release.
Same applies for getting your game on Steam, unless your game stands out to the reviewers at valve.
Review sites, News sites etc... want eye balls, they get eye balls with what is popular so if you're a little nobody you won't bring eye balls unless it's a slow news day.
Though I find blues covers a bit of everything, which is why I am here =) |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 12:15 |
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| hey Mark - the ocean called.. they're running out of shrimp |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 11:34 |
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InBlack wrote on Jul 20, 2010, 10:06:
How is "Rein" pronounced anyway? Is it the same as "Rain"?
Yes. It also a word in and of itself, and a homonym for rain. As in you would "rein" in someone in your company for making a public faux pas.  |
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Stephen "Blue" Heaslip
Blue's News Publisher, Editor-in-Chief, El Presidente for Life |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 11:27 |
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Tanto Edge, that was one of the least informed posts I've read here.
1) Calling it "the UE3" is like grandpa calling it "the google."
2) I'm shocked that you think an insanely good salesman is instantly replaceable. You're just desperate to make someone you dislike out as worthless despite having no clue and really being wrong.
3) It doesn't matter what he meant, true. What matters is how he went about it. WHICH IS WHAT HE APOLOGIZES FOR. FLAT-OUT, PLAIN ENGLISH APOLOGIZES FOR!
4) What was he doing there? Well, for one, it was the Develop Awards. It was a large conference. This was one panel. Considering that Epic started as one person in a garage and Mark was something like employee #3, I think he knows indie gaming well. It's changed since, but if anyone wants to know how to become rich on indie games taking a look at Epic's history isn't a bad way to go (making a fart game for the iPhone is probably better, though.)
5) "Plight" means that being an indie developer isn't easy. Where does your money come from? Your funding? Where do you get released? It's not an easy thing, which is why they're not springing up everywhere yet.
6) You have NO FUCKING IDEA what the event was if you think he was there talent scouting. For one, I don't think Mark has much to do with Epic's hiring. You know, the recruiter and people responsible for developing probably do that. For another, can you really bar him from an event where he receives a reward? Probably not.
7) This was a panel and he was in the audience. Panels are moderated and don't tend to be very interactive. Have you ever been to a game conference, or any conference with panels? Doesn't sound like it. You have no idea what the hell this thing was.
8) Honestly, you think Valve has done anything remotely similar to UDK? Or any developer as of yet? The only "big" players in that area are Unity and Epic.
9) Send an email to Mark claiming to be a small studio interested in UE3. I guarantee he calls you by the end of the week.
Your entire rant is nothing but ill-informed hate for one man. It's shocking that you filled a paragraph that large with so much cluelessness about even such a simple thing as what the Develop Conference that held this panel actually was. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 10:06 |
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| How is "Rein" pronounced anyway? Is it the same as "Rain"? |
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| I have a nifty blue line! |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 06:09 |
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| I do even if the shameless self-promotion nearly overshadows the product completely. Although obscuring a mediocre product with a huge ego is probably advantageous.. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 04:49 |
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| Well maybe you have not heard of a little developer called 3000AD? hehehehhehehe (I could not read the word jerk this much with bring that up) |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 04:19 |
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| I love games. Am I interested in the people who work on them? No. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 01:37 |
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Accessibility doesn't mean the best. Besides, what in gods name does the UE3 have to do with Mark Rein being an ass??? The UE3 can be as good as it gets, Mark is still an asshole and if he got hit by a car tomorrow, he'd still be an asshole, just smeared, replaceable and the UE3 would live on!
Besides, I'm claiming that I and everybody else shouldn't give a flying shit about Mark and his 'claims' of 'what he meant'.
It doesn't matter. What's he doing at this indie assembly? What's he doing scoffing at the panel?
Why do indies suffer some 'plight'? I mean what kind of 'apology' is that?
"I'm sorry I called you a fucktard. I realize now that even though you are a fucktard, it was a really insensitive thing to say, and I'm sorry."
Does that fly in your social circles? I should think not.
I think it's pretty damned obvious what he meant, means and why he was there.
He was feeling out their territory, scouting for hot talent, and frankly I feel he should be barred from entry to these events.
I don't feel he has anything to offer indies in terms of know-how or tutelage. He's never been an indie (unless you count submitting a resume to id software), he's a friggin marketing guy, and completely replaceable as faceman.
All that aside, CryTek is bringing their engine to the masses in the same way, and as time goes, so will id Software (the original purveyors of community editing tools), and Valve has been doing it long before Mark Rein and his band of nitwits ever started providing jack shit to the community. Don't try to sell Rein on the merits of a product. Besides, are you trying to tell me and the rest that Rein is gonna get on the horn to try and sell me on using UE3? Highly doubtful. I doubt the guy gives a fuck about any of the licensees currently using that engine. I'm sure he cares about 'all of them' though, because who else pays his salary?
Fuck Rein. Vice Presidents of Large Development Companies have nothing to offer indies, unless we're talking publishing and deadlines. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 00:21 |
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| Despite being imperfect, I think this was a good move. It's certainly the professional way to do things. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 20, 2010, 00:16 |
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| I think he admits they were all out of him that day. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 19, 2010, 23:50 |
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Beamer wrote on Jul 19, 2010, 22:03:
Yet the jerk stone keeps getting tossed at him.
I read this as "jerk store" but was disappointed when I went to quote. |
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| [I'm not trolling I'm just] tossing stuff like that in there only to get your panties all bunched up. -TrollinThundr |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 19, 2010, 23:32 |
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He never said his opinion was wrong, and Cliffski never had a problem with his opinion.
He said his method of offering his opinion was very wrong. That was the issue. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 19, 2010, 23:23 |
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"I'm sorry, I was wrong - but here's why I was right."
lol so true. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 19, 2010, 23:12 |
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"I'm sorry, I was wrong - but here's why I was right."
Mark doesn't really know how to apologize, does he?
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 19, 2010, 23:03 |
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| Can't wait for tomorrow's update when Harris offers his thoughts on Rein's apology via his blog. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 19, 2010, 22:53 |
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| I haven't really followed this faux-drama, but good on Mark for being big about it. |
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Re: Cliffski/Epic Part 3: Mark Rein Apologizes |
Jul 19, 2010, 22:51 |
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| Don't worry, we'll always have Kotick. |
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