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9. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 4, 2010, 07:02 vacs
 
RCH wrote on Jul 4, 2010, 03:57:
I thought Apple was a member of the blu-ray consortium. Has that changed?

no, they still are but Steve found out that he can make more money by selling movies over itunes than by paying licence fees for every blu-ray drive and every software player he bundles with Macs.
 
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8. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 4, 2010, 03:57 RCH
 
I thought Apple was a member of the blu-ray consortium. Has that changed?
 
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7. Re: Saturday Tech Bits Jul 3, 2010, 23:36 ForgedReality
 
Steve's not exactly a visionary...  
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6. Re: bluray Jul 3, 2010, 19:03 4D-Boxing
 
Good luck Jobs!

With ISPs putting caps on download at 10gigs, how many movies will people download? If you buy few games via dd online, the 10 gig cap becomes a prob since the ISP starts charging extra.

Now imagine renting 2 or 3 movies at a time like most do, how long will that take?

With enough cash, anyone can buy an HD tv and a blue ray player but not everyone has access to high speed internet.

blue ray is far from great but digital distribution is not ready for prime time.
 
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5. Re: bluray Jul 3, 2010, 17:18 Beamer
 
But it's what they release in NOW.

People upgrading their HD systems NOW tend to want something that delivers HD NOW. NOW. Products may not be super future-proof, but they are perfect for RIGHT FRICKIN NOW.

As mentioned, Steve Jobs doesn't like this. Steve Jobs likes owning ecosystems. This is what gives his users things like "freedom from porn" (his words.) He wants to dominate an entire ecosystem and force users to rely upon him and make sure their money all goes to him.

It's way more intrusive than anything anyone else is doing.
Apple builds fantastic products, but they focus where I don't care and restrict where I do. I want to be able to do anything I want with hardware I buy. Apple wants you to think like them. I don't care if it looks kind of stupid. Apple wants to make sure it's as sexy as possible.

Whatever, it works for them. Every other computer is commoditized. Not Apple. You pay a huge premium through Apple. And, as a result, you lose a huge chunk of the freedom you get with other products. Freedom to do whatever the hell you want on your computer. Still, Steve Jobs thinks these restrictions actually are freedoms...
 
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4. Re: bluray Jul 3, 2010, 15:31 zirik
 
killer_roach wrote on Jul 3, 2010, 14:06:
That's not what he's getting at (in fact, as you're getting at, film professionals have been shooting at far higher resolutions for far longer, as many of the restorations of old film prints will attest). By that logic, DVD is as much of a "stop gap technology" as Blu-Ray.

dvd was not meant to deliver HD. so there is no parallel to bluray. HD video is what bluray is supposed to deliver but the technology create higher resolution film already outpaced the delivery standard.

killer_roach wrote on Jul 3, 2010, 14:06:
What Jobs is saying is that physical media for movies is irrelevant because he wants you to download movies from the iTunes Store. Never mind the fact that most of the "high-definition" content on the Store is relatively slapdash in terms of quality (720p at bitrates as low as 2Mbit and stereo sound); because Apple can be the be-all end-all gatekeeper to content, he thinks that is the way to go.

i think downloadable movies will eventually catch up to the higher bitrates that you are talking about. jobs is simply thinking ahead of the curve and not locking apple hardware down to a short lived standard like bluray. if you take film class in college most professors will tell you not to invest too much into bluray. the standard will not be able to handle what film makers are going to release in the next few years.
 
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3. Re: bluray Jul 3, 2010, 15:13 Wolfen
 
killer_roach wrote on Jul 3, 2010, 14:06:
zirik wrote on Jul 3, 2010, 12:59:
i tend to agree with steve jobs on bluray. people i know who work in the movie industry think that its a stop gap technology to something better because they are already shooting movies at much higher resolutions than 1080p. even 35mm film has more resolution than what current HDTV offers. i have scanned 35mm velvia film to 75 megapixels and people could not tell the difference between it and a medium format or digital source.

That's not what he's getting at (in fact, as you're getting at, film professionals have been shooting at far higher resolutions for far longer, as many of the restorations of old film prints will attest). By that logic, DVD is as much of a "stop gap technology" as Blu-Ray.

What Jobs is saying is that physical media for movies is irrelevant because he wants you to download movies from the iTunes Store. Never mind the fact that most of the "high-definition" content on the Store is relatively slapdash in terms of quality (720p at bitrates as low as 2Mbit and stereo sound); because Apple can be the be-all end-all gatekeeper to content, he thinks that is the way to go.

I completely agree with that. Most all of Jobs rejections seem to be based on knowledge of a future, or a desire to dominate a branch of something, or of course a combination of both.

Edit: Or better put. Most of his rejections of things are purely driven by an agenda.
 
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2. Re: bluray Jul 3, 2010, 14:06 killer_roach
 
zirik wrote on Jul 3, 2010, 12:59:
i tend to agree with steve jobs on bluray. people i know who work in the movie industry think that its a stop gap technology to something better because they are already shooting movies at much higher resolutions than 1080p. even 35mm film has more resolution than what current HDTV offers. i have scanned 35mm velvia film to 75 megapixels and people could not tell the difference between it and a medium format or digital source.

That's not what he's getting at (in fact, as you're getting at, film professionals have been shooting at far higher resolutions for far longer, as many of the restorations of old film prints will attest). By that logic, DVD is as much of a "stop gap technology" as Blu-Ray.

What Jobs is saying is that physical media for movies is irrelevant because he wants you to download movies from the iTunes Store. Never mind the fact that most of the "high-definition" content on the Store is relatively slapdash in terms of quality (720p at bitrates as low as 2Mbit and stereo sound); because Apple can be the be-all end-all gatekeeper to content, he thinks that is the way to go.
 
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1. Re: bluray Jul 3, 2010, 12:59 zirik
 
i tend to agree with steve jobs on bluray. people i know who work in the movie industry think that its a stop gap technology to something better because they are already shooting movies at much higher resolutions than 1080p. even 35mm film has more resolution than what current HDTV offers. i have scanned 35mm velvia film to 75 megapixels and people could not tell the difference between it and a medium format or digital source.  
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