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Epic on PC Gaming

Rock, Paper, Shotgun interviews Epic's Mark Rein who tells them: "I think that’s a myth that we’ve abandoned the PC," going on to say: "we’ve just been in this situation where our biggest franchise has been published by a console-holder, and was a very console designed-IP," though he doesn't explain who "put" them there. He goes on to say that People Can Fly's upcoming shooter Bulletstorm will change this perception: "Bulletstorm is PC, PS3 and Xbox 360 and you’ll see when it comes out, it will be a full-blown, oh-my-god amazing PC game. I wouldn’t draw the comparisons there." Thanks VG247.

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45. removed Jul 3, 2010, 02:49 space captain
 
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44. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 18:48 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 18:37:
20%.
But you need to think about what that means.
According to NPD, it's a 20% drop in sales, but a 0% drop (or raise) in units sold.

So just as many Xbox 360s and PS3s were sold in May 2010 as May 2009. The difference is that the prices are much cheaper now than they were then.

That's not a decline at all. Especially if costs were lowered an equal amount.

Yes, that's true. In May 2009 there were sold less consoles per unit to the exception of the DS so you are 100% correct.

Still it's not that I wish a crash or anything, it's just that the past couple of years there has been almost no profit to be found in the gaming market ever since the 2008 global recession hit. Gaming is a luxury and a lot of people around the world are in dire straits right now.

Who knows? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. I'm just reflecting the same ideas of analysts other than Patcher who are starting to get worried about the lack of rebound for the big game companies.
 
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43. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 18:37 Beamer
 
20%.
But you need to think about what that means.
According to NPD, it's a 20% drop in sales, but a 0% drop (or raise) in units sold.

So just as many Xbox 360s and PS3s were sold in May 2010 as May 2009. The difference is that the prices are much cheaper now than they were then.

That's not a decline at all. Especially if costs were lowered an equal amount.
 
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42. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 18:13 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 17:43:
Dude. Do you read these things? A few games underperformed. But video game sales ROSE 4% in May.
What fell was console sales, which fell 20%. Which makes sense, the consoles all saw price cuts. In terms of units there was a 0% change.


But actual GAME sales were up 4%.
This is NOT a "collapse."

Again, I point you to the data that shows that for the past couple of years all months have been in the red for game publishers. For the past couple of years they haven't had any kind of profit. 2 years. That's considerable.

And though there's a 4% increase of software sale, a decrease of 20%.

"Software came in at $466.3 million while hardware dipped down by 20% to $241.5 millions."

And without a huge number of consoles out there the number of games sold decreases accordingly. 20% drop of console sales. 20. That's not a downturn, that's a fucking disaster. And if you read about what analysts were saying about the month of May, they all thought that it was this the month where the industry as a whole would rebound to positive pastures, instead it dropped 5%, adding those to all the drops in the past couple of years. And I don't think in May there were any hardware price cuts though correct me if I'm wrong.

This isn't a downturn, it's a steep decline that shows no sign of giving up and you can bet anything that if in 5 or 6 months time the games industry doesn't start seeing profits you can bet the crash will by then be inevitable. Because game publishers need investors and shareholders and you won't invest in an industry that's not having profits.

You would be absolutely right in this being a downturn if not for the past 2 years overall results.
 
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41. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 17:45 killer_roach
 
space captain wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 16:32:
comparing 10.1 to 10.5 is like comparing windows 3.1 to win7

10.1 wont run on intel macs, only 10.4 and 10.5 will - and yes users still want 10.4 support.. (but its going away anyways because apple makes their own hardware so they basically control the whole game) and tons of people still use it daily.. 10.1 doesnt even exist as a standalone OS, it has to be on a disc included with a specific machine - and its ancient and completely outdated and has been replaced by 10.3..

also, 10.5 wont run at all on PPC macs, which are still in abundant use by the less affluent and collectors and hackers and so on... soooooo your whole argument is pointless here

If anything, you proved my point. Enjoy your archaic code and your sense of misplaced entitlement.
 
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40. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 17:43 Beamer
 
Dude. Do you read these things? A few games underperformed. But video game sales ROSE 4% in May.
What fell was console sales, which fell 20%. Which makes sense, the consoles all saw price cuts. In terms of units there was a 0% change.


But actual GAME sales were up 4%.
This is NOT a "collapse."
 
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39. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 16:47 The PC Warrior
 
nin wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 11:07:
and the video driver model that it uses is decrepit and unstable.

They work fine. Is there some epidemic with XP drivers that's escaped notice all this time?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model

 
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38. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 16:32 space captain
 
killer_roach wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 10:40:
You don't hear Mac users complaining about supporting OS X 10.1 (in fact, a lot of Mac software is requiring 10.5 anymore),

comparing 10.1 to 10.5 is like comparing windows 3.1 to win7

10.1 wont run on intel macs, only 10.4 and 10.5 will - and yes users still want 10.4 support.. (but its going away anyways because apple makes their own hardware so they basically control the whole game) and tons of people still use it daily.. 10.1 doesnt even exist as a standalone OS, it has to be on a disc included with a specific machine - and its ancient and completely outdated and has been replaced by 10.3..

also, 10.5 wont run at all on PPC macs, which are still in abundant use by the less affluent and collectors and hackers and so on... soooooo your whole argument is pointless here
 
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37. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 15:39 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 15:25:
It's not a collapse at all. To call it such is wishful thinking by spiteful people that feel like the industry is evil and has abandoned them.

It's a downturn at worst. The sky is not falling. Stop being chicken little. Red Dead Revolver and Mario Galaxy sold millions of copies worldwide last month. The only true disappointment was Alan Wake.

I beg to differ

You know things are bad when the worst analyst of them all, Patcher, is starting to lose its shill voice and announcing a rather deep downturn.

No, downturns do not last for two years. Yes, the sky may be falling. The videogame industry is reaping the horrible policies it has made up till now. I think calling it a simple downturn is being rather naive to be honest.

Time will tell but the current policies of the games' industry of hyping bad quality games, of dumping millions into marketing and development and producing lackluster games will sooner or later catch up to them and it may be sooner than later.
 
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36. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 15:25 Beamer
 
It's not a collapse at all. To call it such is wishful thinking by spiteful people that feel like the industry is evil and has abandoned them.

It's a downturn at worst. The sky is not falling. Stop being chicken little. Red Dead Revolver and Mario Galaxy sold millions of copies worldwide last month. The only true disappointment was Alan Wake.
 
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35. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 15:16 ASeven
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 15:00:
Wait, 5% is a "collapse?"

How far has the S&P fallen? How far has the economy as a whole fallen? How far have every other form of entertainment fallen?

5% isn't very much.

It isn't, for a single month. For the past couple of years software sales have been going down and down so this 5% for a single month may not be much but add to that the rest of the negative growth of the past months and you will have... very much. A collapse in fact.

The month of May was a very important one since a lot of analysts predicted that the market would rebound with so many titles coming out that month. It seems it hasn't. So yes, it is a collapse in the economic definition of it. The market isn't rebounding and sales are still going down.
 
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34. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 15:00 Beamer
 
Wait, 5% is a "collapse?"

How far has the S&P fallen? How far has the economy as a whole fallen? How far have every other form of entertainment fallen?

5% isn't very much.
Also, for godssake people, stop acting like this is a major about-face for anyone. No one ever said "PC gaming is dead." People said "PC gaming isn't making as much money as console gaming." Which is true. No one ever said "piracy has killed PC gaming," they said "piracy is making PC game development more frustrating."

This isn't a huge about-face for Epic. UDK is solely PC based. Clearly they're interested in keeping up with the PC market.
 
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33. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 14:17 ASeven
 
I wonder...

A link on the etc section shows that the collapse of the videogame market continues as the industry slumped 5% in May. At the same time we have a lot of devs and publishers who didn't give a shit about the PC before suddenly show their undying support or some crap like that.

Videogame market crash imminent? I mean, it's as if they're deliberately stepping away slowly from consoles or something. Or maybe I'm just seeing things.
 
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32. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 13:38 Prez
 
Those numbers are higher than I thought. Looks like XP is going the way of the dodo. Guess my upgrade will be happening sooner than I thought. It's not that I love XP; upgrades are just so damn inconvenient.

People are just wired to resist change. The routine and the comfortable. The only way to really convince the majority of people to upgrade from something they are content with is to institute arbitrary measures like discontinued support and games that only work on newer OS's.
 
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31. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 13:22 Caveman
 
So much butthurt here.  
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30. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 13:01 killer_roach
 
Kajetan wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 10:57:
killer_roach wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 10:40:
What's everyone's obsession with XP? It's almost a decade old now, and the video driver model that it uses is decrepit and unstable.
1. There is no technical reason for NOT supporting XP.
2. And according to the Steam Hardware Survey, XP is still the most popular OS with over 31% share. This is not some obscure niche, a dev can afford to ignore.

1. The fact that Microsoft is about to discontinue support for the ancient OS comes to mind as a good reason...

2. It's the "most popular" only because they count the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Windows 7 as distinct versions. Also, the fact that almost all XP users are of the 32-bit variety, that also goes back to the first point.
 
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29. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 12:33 PHJF
 
It wasn't worth 50 bucks, probably not even half that, but it in no way sucked remotely as bad as bluesnewsers repeatedly claim

You're absolutely correct, it's completely acceptable to sell a game to the public which erases savegame data upon restarting the computer.
 
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28. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 12:21 Beamer
 
Bad comparison.
Mac adoption rates are increasing. Valve wants to be in on the ground floor. Also Apple almost definitely funded a huge part of that support.
XP adoption rates are also increasing - increasingly negative. By year's end it'll be about 10% of people using it. That 10% is comprised in large part by netbooks and old computers not capable of AA, regardless.

I'm still on XP on all 3 systems. But my new computers will use 7, as 7 is so much nicer to use it isn't even funny. I just haven't built/purchased anything since 7 was released.
 
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27. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 12:04 Kajetan
 
Beamer wrote on Jul 2, 2010, 11:34:
Which means that 69% are using a more recent OS.
So what? Only 6% are using a Mac and Valve supports this OS.
 
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26. Re: Epic on PC Gaming Jul 2, 2010, 11:34 Beamer
 
2. And according to the Steam Hardware Survey, XP is still the most popular OS with over 31% share. This is not some obscure niche, a dev can afford to ignore.

Which means that 69% are using a more recent OS.
Windows 7 alone has 39%, if you count both 64 and 32 bit versions. And that percentage has grown about 3% per month. Interestingly, XP has gone down the same amount...
 
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