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Re: Ubisoft: DRM "Vital" To PC Success |
Apr 16, 2010, 16:30 |
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Vital to PC success?
Hilarious! I'm AVOIDING purchasing Settlers 7 BECAUSE of this DRM and I am definitely not alone. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM "Vital" To PC Success |
Apr 16, 2010, 16:27 |
Marvin T. Martian |
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| UBI--just quit making games for the PC----PLEASE! |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 16:10 |
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TurdFergasun wrote on Apr 16, 2010, 15:10:
DRM and Piracy are the symptoms, greed is the disease. un-contained greed and megalomania.
I'm sorry but that's just fucking retarded. It's the greed of END USERS that's the disease. Piracy would exist without DRM. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM "Vital" To PC Success |
Apr 16, 2010, 16:02 |
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There is still no working server emulator for this, I dunno where you heard that BS. In fact, the guys banging their heads against the wall trying to figure it out, are now starting to give up and say it can't be done.
Yes there is. We went through this in the last topic with me playing your position in the argument and I was proven wrong. Feel free to email me through the board if you want proof. |
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Playing: Faster Than Light, Tales of Graces F, Fire Emblem 3DS
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 16:00 |
Yosemite Sam |
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How about they back up thier BS with some facts. Has this new DRM resulted in more sales? I highly doubt it, I would guess that they sold exactly what they would have sold if they just had a simple disk check. So you spent extra capital to develope this DRM, are spending money to keep the DRM servers running, have pissed off your customer base and gained nothing, congratulations.
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 16:00 |
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Funny how you say you'll buy games when they reach a price that's acceptable to you but since you've said before you'd never buy a game that used this DRM, I guess now you're just content with stealing it as some form of moral protest right?
Not really, I just wanted to try AC2. There's no demo and I don't have any consoles so this is the only way. I'm actually liking it a lot more than the first game, even though the fundamental platforming and combat mechanics are still shallow. If Ubisoft ever removes the DRM, I'll glady buy the game for $30. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:56 |
Parallax Abstraction |
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| Congrats Jerykk, you're part of the reason Ubisoft thinks this kind of crap is necessary in the first place. Funny how you say you'll buy games when they reach a price that's acceptable to you but since you've said before you'd never buy a game that used this DRM, I guess now you're just content with stealing it as some form of moral protest right? "I want to play this game and well, Ubisoft did something I didn't like so I can use that to justify playing without paying!" The way you can justify ripping people off is sad. This DRM is a plague and people like you are why companies think they need it. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:46 |
Jerykk |
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| Um, I'm pretty sure there is a working server emulator for it because I'm using it right now. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:44 |
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I would still argue there is no 100% crack out, because there isn't. There are some that let you get quite far, some people claim you can finish the main story, but I have not verified this or seen many people agree.
Read the last sentence in the post you quoted As I said, there is no "crack", it is 100% emulated via webserver on the localhost. You can play the game to 100% and that is verified now. As we're not allowed to link warez sites you'll just have to take my word for it or use Google to verify it yourself.
Verno wrote:
Even if it is 100% cracked today the thing lasted like 2 months
It lasted one month, not two. Ubisoft had better luck with Starforce which actually lasted a year. If you're going to piss off consumers, at least make it effective DRM. This wasn't even terribly effective, it was simply tedious to defeat but people know the routine now and the next time around it will go faster as everything is in place except new values databases.
There is still no working server emulator for this, I dunno where you heard that BS. In fact, the guys banging their heads against the wall trying to figure it out, are now starting to give up and say it can't be done.
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:44 |
Jerykk |
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This wasn't even terribly effective, it was simply tedious to defeat but people know the routine now and the next time around it will go faster as everything is in place except new values databases.
It'll also go a lot faster for games like Splinter Cell and PoP because those are short, linear games. AC2 was a long sandbox game with a lot of missions, which is why it took so long to get all the database values. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM "Vital" To PC Success |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:35 |
Verno |
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I would still argue there is no 100% crack out, because there isn't. There are some that let you get quite far, some people claim you can finish the main story, but I have not verified this or seen many people agree.
Read the last sentence in the post you quoted  As I said, there is no "crack", it is 100% emulated via webserver on the localhost. You can play the game to 100% and that is verified now. As we're not allowed to link warez sites you'll just have to take my word for it or use Google to verify it yourself.
Even if it is 100% cracked today the thing lasted like 2 months
It lasted one month, not two. Ubisoft had better luck with Starforce which actually lasted a year. If you're going to piss off consumers, at least make it effective DRM. This wasn't even terribly effective, it was simply tedious to defeat but people know the routine now and the next time around it will go faster as everything is in place except new values databases. |
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Playing: Faster Than Light, Tales of Graces F, Fire Emblem 3DS
Watching: Ghost in the Shell, Hannibal, Oblivion |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:18 |
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Verno wrote on Apr 16, 2010, 14:11:
It was not easy. It took a lot of people a fair amount of time and effort and there are still some issues with sidequests. They put literally hundreds of little triggers into the game that require a code sequence from the Ubi servers otherwise the game takes a dump. There is no crack at all, it is 100% emulated on the localhost. But yes it is out there.
I would still argue there is no 100% crack out, because there isn't. There are some that let you get quite far, some people claim you can finish the main story, but I have not verified this or seen many people agree.
Even if it is 100% cracked today the thing lasted like 2 months, that's great for ANY DRM system and a win for Ubisoft, assuming it effected sales positively, which is the question. These companies say early sales are much higher when the DRM prevents early piracy, but they don't release sales figures so who knows really. That would have been my follow-up question to his comment in this interview: "were sales higher due to the working DRM?"
In any case, I dislike DRM but not enough to not play games. AC2 was an amazing game I am glad I purchased and played and over 20 hours the DRM never gave me a problem. That's my experience, obviously the Australia fiasco with Settlers 7 shows not everyone will have the same smooth ride, but I can only judge its effect on me on... well, its effect on me.
I do worry this kind of DRM becoming standard will mean the death of playing games in 20 years time using the same disc, but on an open platform like the PC that is perhaps a bit paranoid, I assume there will always be a way. It's like cops on the side of the road and video cameras in stores: I don't like that they are there, but I get the reason, and they are effective, so I can deal.
The minute this DRM is completely ineffective though, sign me up on the protest list. That could take a while though, if every game requires months of server monitoring to get all the triggers. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:15 |
Verno |
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Darks wrote on Apr 16, 2010, 14:45:
Verno, it doesn’t matter that it took people some time to figure it out, the fact it they did.
Uh it does within the context of my reply, read the original quote.
And that's exactly what Ubisoft is fighting
Those people aren't buying the game now though. As you pointed out though DRM worked but so what? For a month no one was playing AC2 and what did it accomplish beyond some negative PR? They're fighting a war against people who exist outside of the revenue stream for the sake of doing so while aggravating legitimate consumers who do purchase their products.
It would be funny if it wasn't so misguided.
This comment was edited on Apr 16, 2010, 15:21. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:10 |
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Fartacus wrote on Apr 16, 2010, 11:21:
Arithon wrote on Apr 16, 2010, 11:13:
DRM isn't free. Drop it and pass on the cost saving. Cheaper game AND no DRM? Who WOULDN'T buy it? THAT would be a success..
I'm not trying to defend Ubi here, but douchebag pirates wouldn't buy it, regardless of the price. DRM is the symptom, piracy is the disease.
DRM and Piracy are the symptoms, greed is the disease. un-contained greed and megalomania. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 15:07 |
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Average customers don't want to trudge through pirate sites infested with malware, search for a game, find a working torrent, download for a couple days, extract, burn, install, and crack a game. Even if they could figure out how to.
And that's exactly what Ubisoft is fighting. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand this excessively restrictive copy protection either, but the reality is that it's doing its job quite well. It does two things:
1) Make a crack take longer to accomplish. Because the crackers have to play through the game to ensure they get all the code fragments from the server, they can't do a 0-day release anymore. That means when the game is first released, it's no longer a choice of "do I download it for free, or do I buy it".
2) Make it more difficult for the "casual" user to play the cracked version. Having to modify your hostfiles to redirect sites to localhost, for example, increases the technical proficiency that's required to make use of the pirated versions. Sure, there's a large chunk of the population for which that'd be no difficulty - indeed, I'm sure most of us could accomplish that. But there's also a significant chunk for which it would be difficult. Piracy had become a simple matter of "download, burn (or mount), install". By making it that easy, it tilted the scales towards piracy as the simpler option. Anything that Ubisoft can do to make piracy more difficult will decrease the number of people who end up pirating it.
Will it stop piracy altogether? Of course not. But that wasn't their goal in the first place (well, assuming they were being realistic). Their goal was to slow it down, and decrease it's frequency, and their new system does both of those things.
The problem, however, as has been pointed out numerous times already, is that in doing so, they also made things much more annoying for legitimate customers. If it weren't for that fact, this new system could be considered "Mission Accomplished". |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 14:45 |
Darks |
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Verno, it doesn’t matter that it took people some time to figure it out, the fact it they did. So Ubishit can go screw themselves. As long as they feel the need to continue down their path of self destruction, I’m going to help them get there by Boycotting and avoiding their games like the plaque they are.
I hope every game they release is cracked; I will enjoy reading about that immensely.
The sooner this company dies off the better off everyone will be.
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 14:32 |
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I would like to add that the second game to have limited installs, Mass Effect on PC, actually dropped everything down to a CD check for the sequel. Christ that's a EA game to boot! They learned from the backlash of the first game what will it take for Ubi to realize they fucked up?
I think the first game with limited installs , Bioshock, did the same thing.
Funny thing is the Splinter Cell series has the title of the longest to crack DRM. I think it was Chaos Theory. Took a year or more to crack its DRM.
As for people still bitching about digital distro, can it. Seriously. The only thing it limits you from doing is resale/return. When was the last time ANY store let you return opened PC software or trade it in? YEARS. If you are referring to console games OK, but PC games... put a sock in it. You are not missing anything. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 14:15 |
Unknown |
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| Not purchasing Ubisoft DRM product is 'vital' to my sanity as a consumer. If they want to continue down the path of ignoring customer sensitivities, then I say good riddance! DRM = Destructive/Deranged/Debilitating Rights Management. |
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 14:11 |
Verno |
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mag wrote on Apr 16, 2010, 13:50:
Arithon wrote on Apr 16, 2010, 11:13:
Sucess of what? Not piracy prevention. There are 12,162 seeders and 21,034 downloaders of AC2 on the first torrent site I looked at. They have a DRM server emulator and re-direct all URLs to localhost. Cracked. Just like that!
Is that true? I knew it would happen eventually, but didn't know that it was already going on. That's awesome. I don't pirate games, but I like that Ubi's unbreakable DRM was so easily circumvented.
It was not easy. It took a lot of people a fair amount of time and effort and there are still some issues with sidequests. They put literally hundreds of little triggers into the game that require a code sequence from the Ubi servers otherwise the game takes a dump. There is no crack at all, it is 100% emulated on the localhost. But yes it is out there. |
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Playing: Faster Than Light, Tales of Graces F, Fire Emblem 3DS
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Re: Ubisoft: DRM |
Apr 16, 2010, 14:04 |
Riker |
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| Don't care, Ubi - I'm still not buying. |
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